Considering 18 F150 Crew 3.5 EB for TT Towing. Any thoughts?
03-08-2018, 11:18 PM
#21
Senior Member
Big Dozer,
Yep. the GVWR was 7050 and the curbed weight of the platinum (I am getting a Lariat) was 4936. I suspect the one I am looking at is a bit lighter but not much.
Well, I weight 155 pounds, so add that! As for tires, does that include unsprung weight? Interesting. So family is approx. 400 pounds right now. hitch weight is 700 ish. hitch is 100 ish. Still tons of room I think.
Feeling much better about this set up.
Thanks
Yep. the GVWR was 7050 and the curbed weight of the platinum (I am getting a Lariat) was 4936. I suspect the one I am looking at is a bit lighter but not much.
Well, I weight 155 pounds, so add that! As for tires, does that include unsprung weight? Interesting. So family is approx. 400 pounds right now. hitch weight is 700 ish. hitch is 100 ish. Still tons of room I think.
Feeling much better about this set up.
Thanks
Your tongue weight should be 10-15% with most people looking at 13% to keep the stability good but it will vary +/- according to what you load each time.
It is hard to believe a Platinum would have that much payload. I thought most of those were 12-1300 pound range but I would never buy one of them so I have never looked at one.
03-09-2018, 12:19 AM
#22
I think you will be okay of your figures stay close to that.
Your tongue weight should be 10-15% with most people looking at 13% to keep the stability good but it will vary +/- according to what you load each time.
It is hard to believe a Platinum would have that much payload. I thought most of those were 12-1300 pound range but I would never buy one of them so I have never looked at one.
Your tongue weight should be 10-15% with most people looking at 13% to keep the stability good but it will vary +/- according to what you load each time.
It is hard to believe a Platinum would have that much payload. I thought most of those were 12-1300 pound range but I would never buy one of them so I have never looked at one.
hmmm. I think I need to find that "yellow" payload sticker I keep reading about. Clearly, I didn't find it. Any tips on where it would be on a new vehicle.
Thanks
03-09-2018, 12:20 AM
#23
Your numbers appear good. By stated payload you mean the yellow sticker or the book? What did the sticker say, assuming you looked at an actual truck? ~1800 would be fine with that load. But, if you are gonna put bags and a sway bar on it, just buy an HDPP and save the hassle. Then you get the 4800 axle and you will never wonder how close you are to the limit. There are quite a few HDPPs on lots now - it doesn't seem to be as rare as it used to be. My local Forest Grove dealer has one, and they are small.
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03-09-2018, 12:29 AM
#24
The sticker is in the drivers door jamb.
03-09-2018, 07:14 AM
#25
Senior Member
Last edited by Ricktwuhk; 03-09-2018 at 08:35 AM.
03-09-2018, 09:53 AM
#26
I looked at the sticker in the door, but it wasn't yellow. It showed the GVWR 7050 and the Rear GAWR 3800. I looked up curb weight for a platinum and it gave me 4936 pounds with 1929 pounds on the rear axle. The platinum option weight on rear was 24 pounds. Their calculation was a rear axle capacity of 1860 which is very close to my assumptions with a 7050 GVWR. https://www.caranddriver.com/ford/f-150/specs
I am in the pacific northwest, and there are none here with HDPP. Also, it doesn't appear that I can get this optioned like I want with the HDPP, so adding a sway bar and bags is probably my best option I think. Thanks again. Really appreciate this. When i talked to the sales guy, he said, "says right here it pulls 10,700 pounds so what's the payload matter"
I am in the pacific northwest, and there are none here with HDPP. Also, it doesn't appear that I can get this optioned like I want with the HDPP, so adding a sway bar and bags is probably my best option I think. Thanks again. Really appreciate this. When i talked to the sales guy, he said, "says right here it pulls 10,700 pounds so what's the payload matter"
http://www.doherty-ford.com/new/Ford...earchDepth=6:6
Right here in Oregon. This is where I ordered mine too. Good price. Go buy it.
I found most salesguys know less about towing than I do. Way less.
Mike
03-09-2018, 10:26 AM
#27
Senior Member
This is how I calculate you out now:
1495 Assumed available payload
-395 people (all 4 of you)
-160 future weight of kids if they all weighed 100#
-60 kids stuff as you mentioned
-975 hitch weight (7500#*13%)
195 weight transferred back to trailer via WDH (per your calcs 20%)
-100 hitch's own weight
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nets to zero
So based on this you would need a truck with 1495 payload which is very doable and normal.
Most peoples concern here is we often don't realize how much crap we add to our trucks.....tow rope, booster cables, misc tools, floor mats, wife's purse are all just in the cab. For camping, what if you need/want to bring your own firewood, generator, camping chairs, bikes, etc.....it can add up quickly so you don't want to be 'just within specs' if you don't have to.
AS to your other question of fuel mileage.....it will be bad lol, you just can't beat the physics that it is heavy and flat fronted.
1495 Assumed available payload
-395 people (all 4 of you)
-160 future weight of kids if they all weighed 100#
-60 kids stuff as you mentioned
-975 hitch weight (7500#*13%)
195 weight transferred back to trailer via WDH (per your calcs 20%)
-100 hitch's own weight
-----
nets to zero
So based on this you would need a truck with 1495 payload which is very doable and normal.
Most peoples concern here is we often don't realize how much crap we add to our trucks.....tow rope, booster cables, misc tools, floor mats, wife's purse are all just in the cab. For camping, what if you need/want to bring your own firewood, generator, camping chairs, bikes, etc.....it can add up quickly so you don't want to be 'just within specs' if you don't have to.
AS to your other question of fuel mileage.....it will be bad lol, you just can't beat the physics that it is heavy and flat fronted.
03-09-2018, 11:00 PM
#28
http://www.doherty-ford.com/new/Ford...earchDepth=6:6
Right here in Oregon. This is where I ordered mine too. Good price. Go buy it.
I found most salesguys know less about towing than I do. Way less.
Mike
Right here in Oregon. This is where I ordered mine too. Good price. Go buy it.
I found most salesguys know less about towing than I do. Way less.
Mike
Unfortunately, it doesn't have the options I want. I'm coming from a loaded burb LTZ and this is going to be my daily driver. I spent the afternoon at a local dealer and here is what I found. I checked the yellow sticker on probably 40 vehicles. The one that has all the things I want (including Max Trailer tow) has a payload capacity of 1609. Interestingly, it has a Gross RAWR or 4050 with a GVWR of 7050.
The F150 i test drove last night had a lower Gross RAWR of 3800. I didn't look at the yellow sticker but assume it is lower than 1609.
Now here is where it gets weird and I need advice. For the heck of it, I looked at a 2018 Expedition Max with a Heavy Duty Trailer tow package. The gross RAWR is 4380, that's 100 pounds more than the previous model. And get this, the yellow sticker said it has a payload of 1636 pounds. So, it has a tow rating of 9000 pounds and payload of 1636. If I am towing a 7500 wet trailer, wouldn't I be better off with the expedition?
I also talked to the RV retailer. They don't have a tongue weight scale (guessing cause they don't want people to really know what they weigh), but told me he'd load up a similar unit he has on the lot and we can check the tongue weight so I can be sure.
I'd like any thoughts from the forum on the F-series numbers and the expedition numbers.
This forum is great. Really appreciate it.
03-10-2018, 10:38 AM
#29
Mike,
Unfortunately, it doesn't have the options I want. I'm coming from a loaded burb LTZ and this is going to be my daily driver. I spent the afternoon at a local dealer and here is what I found. I checked the yellow sticker on probably 40 vehicles. The one that has all the things I want (including Max Trailer tow) has a payload capacity of 1609. Interestingly, it has a Gross RAWR or 4050 with a GVWR of 7050.
The F150 i test drove last night had a lower Gross RAWR of 3800. I didn't look at the yellow sticker but assume it is lower than 1609.
Now here is where it gets weird and I need advice. For the heck of it, I looked at a 2018 Expedition Max with a Heavy Duty Trailer tow package. The gross RAWR is 4380, that's 100 pounds more than the previous model. And get this, the yellow sticker said it has a payload of 1636 pounds. So, it has a tow rating of 9000 pounds and payload of 1636. If I am towing a 7500 wet trailer, wouldn't I be better off with the expedition?
I also talked to the RV retailer. They don't have a tongue weight scale (guessing cause they don't want people to really know what they weigh), but told me he'd load up a similar unit he has on the lot and we can check the tongue weight so I can be sure.
I'd like any thoughts from the forum on the F-series numbers and the expedition numbers.
This forum is great. Really appreciate it.
Unfortunately, it doesn't have the options I want. I'm coming from a loaded burb LTZ and this is going to be my daily driver. I spent the afternoon at a local dealer and here is what I found. I checked the yellow sticker on probably 40 vehicles. The one that has all the things I want (including Max Trailer tow) has a payload capacity of 1609. Interestingly, it has a Gross RAWR or 4050 with a GVWR of 7050.
The F150 i test drove last night had a lower Gross RAWR of 3800. I didn't look at the yellow sticker but assume it is lower than 1609.
Now here is where it gets weird and I need advice. For the heck of it, I looked at a 2018 Expedition Max with a Heavy Duty Trailer tow package. The gross RAWR is 4380, that's 100 pounds more than the previous model. And get this, the yellow sticker said it has a payload of 1636 pounds. So, it has a tow rating of 9000 pounds and payload of 1636. If I am towing a 7500 wet trailer, wouldn't I be better off with the expedition?
I also talked to the RV retailer. They don't have a tongue weight scale (guessing cause they don't want people to really know what they weigh), but told me he'd load up a similar unit he has on the lot and we can check the tongue weight so I can be sure.
I'd like any thoughts from the forum on the F-series numbers and the expedition numbers.
This forum is great. Really appreciate it.
Yup, by the numbers the Expedition would be a better choice. I haven't looked at them at all, but assume a Gen 2 3.5 eco motor and the 10 speed? Higher RAWR and Payload, plus more room for kids. If you can option it the way you want, sounds like a good choice. I wonder what the hitch is rated at and if the 4380 RAWR axle is the same HD 9" unit that the HDPP comes with. There's a sticker on the hitch. I'd guess 1000 lbs for that which should be fine. Sounds like a good rig for your needs.
And yes, an XLT HDPP is pretty plain-Jane. That's why I went with the Lariat HDPP and loaded it up. I use mine as my DD with kids, soccer, dogs to the dog park, a dirt bike trailer to the track, and it performs very well and is very comfortable, far better than my 2011 F150 XLT was.
Mike
03-10-2018, 10:56 PM
#30
Yup, by the numbers the Expedition would be a better choice. I haven't looked at them at all, but assume a Gen 2 3.5 eco motor and the 10 speed? Higher RAWR and Payload, plus more room for kids. If you can option it the way you want, sounds like a good choice. I wonder what the hitch is rated at and if the 4380 RAWR axle is the same HD 9" unit that the HDPP comes with. There's a sticker on the hitch. I'd guess 1000 lbs for that which should be fine. Sounds like a good rig for your needs.
And yes, an XLT HDPP is pretty plain-Jane. That's why I went with the Lariat HDPP and loaded it up. I use mine as my DD with kids, soccer, dogs to the dog park, a dirt bike trailer to the track, and it performs very well and is very comfortable, far better than my 2011 F150 XLT was.
Mike
And yes, an XLT HDPP is pretty plain-Jane. That's why I went with the Lariat HDPP and loaded it up. I use mine as my DD with kids, soccer, dogs to the dog park, a dirt bike trailer to the track, and it performs very well and is very comfortable, far better than my 2011 F150 XLT was.
Mike
Thanks. that's what I thought. I've given it some heavy thought (no pun intended) and I just don't want to be the guy weighting the silverware and the kids luggage every trip. So, we are getting an F250 Super Duty Screw with the turbo diesel. We test drove it this morning with the family and everyone gave it the thumbs up. For about $6k more, I don't have to compromise and being out here in where I'll see a lot of mountain pass towing, the engine braking will come in handy. To be honest, nearly 1000 pounds of torque kind of sealed the deal. So, add rear seat entertainment and we're ready to hit the road.
I hope the folks over at the F super duty forum are as great as you all have been.
Thanks
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