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Old 11-03-2017, 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by MNSportsman View Post
Unfortunately, everything in life isnít as black and white as your post implies. Take for example the TSB on the 2.7 engine for oil consumption / engine failure Ė Would your moral compass indicate that if someone is running a tune and experiences this issue that they should be denied warranty for it even though the tune had nothing to do with the manufacturing defect? Iím not implying that the burden of proof has to be on Ford to ďproveĒ anything but I also donít think itís as clear cut as you indicate in every situation.
I'm saying if you tuned it then own up! Don't try and lie about it, cover it up with sneaky back handed efforts. If you don't believe the tune caused the problem then why would someone be lying about it?

Well if you don't screw around tuning the engine then you won't have a problem with warranty if say that 2.7 puked If the owner already knows there are issues with the 2.7 (say a TSB) why would someone want to monkey around by tuning. Isn't that begging for trouble should something go wrong?

My moral compass dictates not lying or covering up something I'm responsible for happening. Perhaps being a LEO for 29 years has influenced my black/white viewpoint. I do believe tuning or not tuning is in fact... black or white... period. Either you screwed around with factory settings or you did not. Doesn't get much clearer IMO.

BTW I'm NOT against tuning or moding your rides. I have a C6 vette that's running AFTER market supercharger and a lot more engine mods. I also knew when I did it should it go BOOM GM wasn't going to warranty my engine. That's the risk I took and fortunately everything stayed together. I still own that vette and drive it weekend when weather permits.

Mod away but MAN UP if you've done something to cancel your factory warranty... It's your choice to improve performance but be honest if something goes wrong.
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Originally Posted by TexasFording View Post
Dearborn field techs can check much more than ignition count. Trust me

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That information is highly confidential and proprietary, so TMC is wise not to share it.
Right, Dearborn techs/engineers have the ability to do deep forensics but at the dealer level it's limited. That's my understanding anyway.
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I'm saying if you tuned it then own up! Don't try and lie about it, cover it up with sneaky back handed efforts. If you don't believe the tune caused the problem then why would someone be lying about it?

Well if you don't screw around tuning the engine then you won't have a problem with warranty if say that 2.7 puked If the owner already knows there are issues with the 2.7 (say a TSB) why would someone want to monkey around by tuning. Isn't that begging for trouble should something go wrong?

My moral compass dictates not lying or covering up something I'm responsible for happening. Perhaps being a LEO for 29 years has influenced my black/white viewpoint. I do believe tuning or not tuning is in fact... black or white... period. Either you screwed around with factory settings or you did not. Doesn't get much clearer IMO.

BTW I'm NOT against tuning or moding your rides. I have a C6 vette that's running AFTER market supercharger and a lot more engine mods. I also knew when I did it should it go BOOM GM wasn't going to warranty my engine. That's the risk I took and fortunately everything stayed together. I still own that vette and drive it weekend when weather permits.

Mod away but MAN UP if you've done something to cancel your factory warranty... It's your choice to improve performance but be honest if something goes wrong.
So you ask why someone would "screw around with tuning" and then you say you fully support it...

I'm not going to "man up" for something that isn't caused by a mod if there was an inherent manufacturing defect. Again things aren't as black and white as you say but we can agree to disagree.

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As much as I appreciate the OP for finally showing up again and offering explanations, I'm still finding a couple of things puzzling and less than kosher. I haven't seen an explanation for the OP's deletion of posts in the modding thread (not that anybody here necessarily deserves one), and I'm just not buying this at all:

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2. Yes i tried to delete the downpipe post i made a while back because i didn't want to scare people off, i took the downpipes off a week after i got them which ill get to.
I'm not trying to be (and don't want to be) judge or jury, but if I was, this would definitely not satisfy my curiosity in light of the big picture. Just saying.

I understand the points of view of both cthusker and MNSportsman, and empathize with both. Still, I don't think in the case of engine modding, that there is a lot of gray area. Modding an engine is always risky, but modding one that may have a known inherent defect is really stupidly reckless. After the smoke clears, who will do all of the expensive, time-consuming research and forensics to determine the real cause? And can a root cause even be determined with real certainty? I agree with what MNSportsman says, but I'd have to side with cthusker on this one. I just think the well-known potential issues with the engine make this a moot point in this case.
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Originally Posted by MNSportsman View Post
So you ask why someone would "screw around with tuning" and then you say you fully support it...

I'm not going to "man up" for something that isn't caused by a mod if there was an inherent manufacturing defect. Again things aren't as black and white as you say but we can agree to disagree.

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Yea we've pretty well beat this one to death so we can agree to disagree how we see this one!!
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The root cause of the failure is a moot point, The Ford warranty clearly states and gives examples of mods including any power adders that will cause the warranty on all affected related parts to be denied.
This is the sole warranty offered by Ford. Ford does not have to prove that the mod caused the failure only that the mod was done to deny a warranty claim.
This is the same warranty offered by most if not all manufactures.
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The root cause of the failure is a moot point, The Ford warranty clearly states and gives examples of mods including any power adders that will cause the warranty on all affected related parts to be denied.
This is the sole warranty offered by Ford. Ford does not have to prove that the mod caused the failure only that the mod was done to deny a warranty claim.
This is the same warranty offered by most if not all manufactures.
Exactly my point.....
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Read up on Magnusson Moss. Its more complicated than that.
there is plenty of case law on this. and its really not complicated. you spew folklore not accurate legal advice.
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Originally Posted by MNSportsman View Post
So you ask why someone would "screw around with tuning" and then you say you fully support it...

I'm not going to "man up" for something that isn't caused by a mod if there was an inherent manufacturing defect. Again things aren't as black and white as you say but we can agree to disagree.

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no need to man up. lol

but chances are your engine warranty is gone. lol now IF you lose yoir engine, deleting your posts about your tune ( which has seen blown engines - and that tuner didn't"help") wont help. lol.
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Originally Posted by cthusker View Post
Yea we've pretty well beat this one to death so we can agree to disagree how we see this one!!
Fair enough. Thank you for your service as a LEO btw.
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