Any 2020 rumors yet?
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Bad design. I like to back into spots so I don't stick out. This would require forward pullin parking all the time for charging. Hopefully they change that on the real plugin F150s.
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blkZ28spt (04-28-2019)
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My 91 F-150 Flareside had a tank on each side! I hated filling both at the same time. I did usually use one, run it low, fill up and flip the switch tho.
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well like said cameras - I mean let's face it most people today back up with one.
The issue holdup right now is how the side is displayed. There's 2 studies I know of, one from SAE and one from Japan highway safety - that mention the driver retraining aspect of removing the mirrors. It's not even a case of the camera failing - as the reliability is pretty high with today's systems.
It's about where do you look to see who's coming up on your LH or RH side. well today you look left or right - right. Tesla wanted people to look toward the center display whenever the side alert went off. NO dice - germans hated that because of the autobahn (you really do need to see if someone way away is coming up on you very fast). So they moved to the center display and it would take over the spot where your speedo is now.
Subaru and GM have proposed similar - center main display is now your LH and RH cameras - SAE study says drivers don't like that either and still instinctively turn when something comes up on the screen. It's annoying.
So there is a proposal to put a screen on your side windows - roughly where your mirror would look. Think inside the car - front 3-5 inches of your side window is a screen (either direct view or a projector) and you still will look left or right - but the view will be on the inside of your car - and no mirrors hanging out. FCA supposedly is testing this on their Ram now - and a dual camera view that comes on with a trailer connected - so you can get side of the truck and get a view from the furthest rear corner. Potentially putting out a spec for a 20 pin trailer connector so you can have cameras on your trailer that interface. I don't know how far that would go but I think I like the idea.
I bet any of this is still 5 years away. Tesla's argument is valid however - the Insurance institute push for autodrive cars - is requiring all thee cameras and sensors on the car anyway - so why isn't the driver getting the benefit of them?
The issue holdup right now is how the side is displayed. There's 2 studies I know of, one from SAE and one from Japan highway safety - that mention the driver retraining aspect of removing the mirrors. It's not even a case of the camera failing - as the reliability is pretty high with today's systems.
It's about where do you look to see who's coming up on your LH or RH side. well today you look left or right - right. Tesla wanted people to look toward the center display whenever the side alert went off. NO dice - germans hated that because of the autobahn (you really do need to see if someone way away is coming up on you very fast). So they moved to the center display and it would take over the spot where your speedo is now.
Subaru and GM have proposed similar - center main display is now your LH and RH cameras - SAE study says drivers don't like that either and still instinctively turn when something comes up on the screen. It's annoying.
So there is a proposal to put a screen on your side windows - roughly where your mirror would look. Think inside the car - front 3-5 inches of your side window is a screen (either direct view or a projector) and you still will look left or right - but the view will be on the inside of your car - and no mirrors hanging out. FCA supposedly is testing this on their Ram now - and a dual camera view that comes on with a trailer connected - so you can get side of the truck and get a view from the furthest rear corner. Potentially putting out a spec for a 20 pin trailer connector so you can have cameras on your trailer that interface. I don't know how far that would go but I think I like the idea.
I bet any of this is still 5 years away. Tesla's argument is valid however - the Insurance institute push for autodrive cars - is requiring all thee cameras and sensors on the car anyway - so why isn't the driver getting the benefit of them?
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Rumor from my dealer is that it will be released long before it should with lots of problem items and untested systems. But the fanboys will buy them and say how great they are while it is back at the dealer to fix it.
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Stu Cazzo (03-21-2019)
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