Amsoil voiding warranty
05-05-2019, 06:27 AM
#11
Senior Member
Ooh, I need some popcorn for this one!
So, here's how it's going to go down in the real world. Let's say you pop a motor. That's a big chunk of coin, and Ford is going to do some amount of looking into it. If they find indications that the damage was caused by oil issues, they're going to want you to produce documentation of your oil changes. If they feel the Amsoil caused your issue, since the oil isn't *tested* (not engineered to) whatever standard, then they'll tell you to **** up a rope. Yeah, maybe with enough legal work (and that's a big maybe), you'll be able to force Ford to cover it. But the whole time, your truck is out of service and you have no wheels. Oh, and you might hire an attorney for a few hours a week... Ford has dozens of lawyers on staff full time. Getting sued is nothing to them, it happens all the time, just a part of business.
Or, you could skip the Scamsoil and install any of the exceptional oils out there (M1, M1EP, PUP, etc.) that *do* carry the proper API and Ford certifications. And save several dollars a quart.
By the way, when was the last time you heard of any reasonably modern motor coming apart due to oil issues, assuming that engine was properly maintained with reasonably timed oil changes and any oil that meets Ford/API requirements?
So, here's how it's going to go down in the real world. Let's say you pop a motor. That's a big chunk of coin, and Ford is going to do some amount of looking into it. If they find indications that the damage was caused by oil issues, they're going to want you to produce documentation of your oil changes. If they feel the Amsoil caused your issue, since the oil isn't *tested* (not engineered to) whatever standard, then they'll tell you to **** up a rope. Yeah, maybe with enough legal work (and that's a big maybe), you'll be able to force Ford to cover it. But the whole time, your truck is out of service and you have no wheels. Oh, and you might hire an attorney for a few hours a week... Ford has dozens of lawyers on staff full time. Getting sued is nothing to them, it happens all the time, just a part of business.
Or, you could skip the Scamsoil and install any of the exceptional oils out there (M1, M1EP, PUP, etc.) that *do* carry the proper API and Ford certifications. And save several dollars a quart.
By the way, when was the last time you heard of any reasonably modern motor coming apart due to oil issues, assuming that engine was properly maintained with reasonably timed oil changes and any oil that meets Ford/API requirements?
When was the last time you heard of any reasonably modern motor coming apart due to oil issues caused by Amsoil, assuming that engine was properly maintained with reasonably timed oil changes and that meets Ford's viscosity ?
Have a great day all.
05-05-2019, 06:53 AM
#12
Looking to put Amsoil in my new 2019 F150 3.5 EB like the rest of my cars.
Signature Series 5W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil with an Amsoil EAO17 oil filter.
But since their signature series oil is not certified by the API, I heard Ford could potentially void your powertrain warranty.
Wondering if anyone else is concerned about that or had issues in the past.
I know Amsoil has a few oils that have the API starburst but I really wanted to use their best oil.
Signature Series 5W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil with an Amsoil EAO17 oil filter.
But since their signature series oil is not certified by the API, I heard Ford could potentially void your powertrain warranty.
Wondering if anyone else is concerned about that or had issues in the past.
I know Amsoil has a few oils that have the API starburst but I really wanted to use their best oil.
05-05-2019, 07:02 AM
#13
Where did you get this from? Did you even bother to read the data bulletin? All Amsoil 5W-30 oil recommended by their website are both certified by API and meet the Ford specification in the owner's manual. I'm not an Amsoil user, but they do make high quality oils that easily exceed the manufacturers specs.
05-05-2019, 07:05 AM
#14
Senior Member
With engines that were prone to oil sludging, Scansoil came out with a service bulletin stating to follow manufacturer OCIs with these engines, and use XL, or OE oil products, their 2 oil products that are API certified.
All you will get using the NON API Scamsoil products is a lighter wallet!
All you will get using the NON API Scamsoil products is a lighter wallet!
05-05-2019, 07:28 AM
#15
Senior Member
" It is API Certified for gasoline engine service ILSAC GF-5 and meets API SN/Resource Conserving "
From Ford WSS-M2C946-A.
As long as the oil is 5W-30 for a 3.5 Ecoboost and has that API designation you are good. The "SN" is a fairly recent development and there may be containers or oil manufacturers out there not up to snuff yet.
From Ford WSS-M2C946-A.
As long as the oil is 5W-30 for a 3.5 Ecoboost and has that API designation you are good. The "SN" is a fairly recent development and there may be containers or oil manufacturers out there not up to snuff yet.
05-05-2019, 07:36 AM
#16
5W-30 (ASL): API SN PLUS (Resource Conserving), SM…; GM dexos1Gen 2 (supersedes LL-A-025, 6094M and 4718M); ACEA A5/B5, A1/B1; Honda HTO-06; Ford WSS-M2C946-A, WSS-M2C929-A; Chrysler MS-6395; ILSAC GF-5, GF-4… &ORTIlEDWITH DETERGENTSTHATEXCEEDTHEDEXOS'ENSULFATEDASHSPECIl CATION
05-05-2019, 07:40 AM
#17
Senior Member
Again, really?
5W-30 (ASL): API SN PLUS (Resource Conserving), SM…; GM dexos1Gen 2 (supersedes LL-A-025, 6094M and 4718M); ACEA A5/B5, A1/B1; Honda HTO-06; Ford WSS-M2C946-A, WSS-M2C929-A; Chrysler MS-6395; ILSAC GF-5, GF-4… &ORTIlEDWITH DETERGENTSTHATEXCEEDTHEDEXOS'ENSULFATEDASHSPECIl CATION
5W-30 (ASL): API SN PLUS (Resource Conserving), SM…; GM dexos1Gen 2 (supersedes LL-A-025, 6094M and 4718M); ACEA A5/B5, A1/B1; Honda HTO-06; Ford WSS-M2C946-A, WSS-M2C929-A; Chrysler MS-6395; ILSAC GF-5, GF-4… &ORTIlEDWITH DETERGENTSTHATEXCEEDTHEDEXOS'ENSULFATEDASHSPECIl CATION
05-05-2019, 07:47 AM
#18
So what?
Yes it is possible for oils to meet both API and ILSAC specs and still not display the Starburst on the packaging. These Symbols are licensed where oil manufacturers pay fees to API and ILSAC for the privilege of using them.
Yes it is possible for oils to meet both API and ILSAC specs and still not display the Starburst on the packaging. These Symbols are licensed where oil manufacturers pay fees to API and ILSAC for the privilege of using them.
Last edited by todd92; 05-05-2019 at 07:49 AM.
05-05-2019, 07:50 AM
#19
Senior Member
The starburst seal is proof that the oil is API certified, Samsoil signature series DOES NOT have this seal!
Scamsoil will deceive, and unfortunately, there are people that believe it!
Scamsoil is a blender, and packager, and they don't have the equipment to test oil!
Scamsoil will deceive, and unfortunately, there are people that believe it!
Scamsoil is a blender, and packager, and they don't have the equipment to test oil!
Last edited by Takeda; 05-05-2019 at 07:53 AM.
05-05-2019, 07:59 AM
#20
Senior Member
The fees pay for the testing, which Scamsoil hasn't paid! For API certification, an oil has to have continuous process monitors, which Scamsoil signature series doesn't have either!!