725-HP Supercharged F-150 for $40,000
02-09-2019, 10:21 AM
#31
Senior Member
I too have a Roush supercharged truck and a few months ago I posted a long and detailed examination of the Roush warranty, and even posted the actual warranty in its entirety. I'm gonna give the cliff notes version here but the short and dirty is Roush and Ford have no "special agreement," and the warranty claims with a Whipple or Roush are handled identically.
#1. No warranty is "voided," ever. Ford may refuse to warranty work on a particular part who's failure was not their fault, but the warranty is still in effect for all other parts and future claims. Google Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act and actually read it. The effect a Whipple has on the power train warranty of an F150 or Mustang is no different then a Roush blower, and Ford has to prove the 3rd party parts caused the failure...and they need to do this FOR ALL CLAIMS, every time, up until the warranty expires per their normal terms (mileage/time).
#2. As printed directly in the Roush warranty, any ASE certified mechanic can install the supercharger. You do not need to visit a "Roush" authorized dealer, but do need to provide proof that it was installed by an ASE certified mechanic OR a Ford certified mechanic, usually in the form of a receipt or work order. Additionally any Roush warranty repair work can also be completed by any ASE certified mechanic and it does not need to be done at a Ford dealership, with the exception of repairs to the supercharger assembly itself, which can only be completed by Roush.
#3. Should you have a claim with either warranty, the way it gets utilized is virtually identical. You authorize the tear down of the motor to determine the cause of failure, and should it be determined the supercharger was responsible you contact Roush/Whipple and request warranty coverage prior to any actual repairs occuring. They then contact dealer, get info form tear down, and give a yay or nay regarding warranty coverage. If you get a yay, Roush/Whipple cut a check up to the prescribed maximum dollar amount listed in the warranty and the dealer/mechanic completes the work. If you get a nay, you are now on the hook for all monies involved unless its a warranty claim that can be serviced by Ford (for example: A known Ford design defect caused the failure, which could have happened regardless of the blower).
Here are two hypothetical examples.
Example #1. You buy a serialized Roush Nitemare from a Ford dealer, and the Roush supercharger was installed by a Ford certified technician at the time of purchase. You are provided with a work order showing the supercharger being installed, and complete the Roush warranty registration card at the time of your purchase and also pay the $995 for the Roush powertrain warranty and submit that card and all paperwork as prescribed to Roush on time. You drive off the dealer lot and go right to your favorite drag strip to test out your truck, and halfway down the 1/4th mile your engine grenades.
You have it towed back to the dealer, tell them what happened, and during the course of the initial teardown, the technician discovers a bent rod and blown piston rings and "Ford" determines the failure was directly caused by the increased cylinder pressures from the supercharger and declines the warranty claim. You then contact Roush and request warranty coverage, and submit a copy of all required paperwork along with a copy of the Ford tear down report. Roush then declines your warranty because "racing" is clearly prohibited in their warranty paperwork and the failure happened at a drag strip.
Example #2. You have a Whipple supercharger installed by an ASE certified mechanic and follow all the requirements as listed by their warranty. You go about driving the car, and 6 months later you spin a rod bearing. Your car gets towed to the dealer and during the initial tear down it is confirmed the #6 bearing is damaged. However, there is an existing TSB regarding #6 rod bearing failures and it is a known issue that has surfaced in completely stock engines. Ford authorizes the warranty repair, because it was a known type of failure that could have happened regardless of the supercharger being present.
However, Ford only authorizes 12hrs book rate for this repair, but due to the presence of the supercharger there is additional work required to remove the Whipple supercharger and accessories and you are responsible for those costs. In total, Ford covers the rod bearing repair and you cover the additional labor required to remove and reinstall the aftermarket items at the time of the repair.
#1. No warranty is "voided," ever. Ford may refuse to warranty work on a particular part who's failure was not their fault, but the warranty is still in effect for all other parts and future claims. Google Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act and actually read it. The effect a Whipple has on the power train warranty of an F150 or Mustang is no different then a Roush blower, and Ford has to prove the 3rd party parts caused the failure...and they need to do this FOR ALL CLAIMS, every time, up until the warranty expires per their normal terms (mileage/time).
#2. As printed directly in the Roush warranty, any ASE certified mechanic can install the supercharger. You do not need to visit a "Roush" authorized dealer, but do need to provide proof that it was installed by an ASE certified mechanic OR a Ford certified mechanic, usually in the form of a receipt or work order. Additionally any Roush warranty repair work can also be completed by any ASE certified mechanic and it does not need to be done at a Ford dealership, with the exception of repairs to the supercharger assembly itself, which can only be completed by Roush.
#3. Should you have a claim with either warranty, the way it gets utilized is virtually identical. You authorize the tear down of the motor to determine the cause of failure, and should it be determined the supercharger was responsible you contact Roush/Whipple and request warranty coverage prior to any actual repairs occuring. They then contact dealer, get info form tear down, and give a yay or nay regarding warranty coverage. If you get a yay, Roush/Whipple cut a check up to the prescribed maximum dollar amount listed in the warranty and the dealer/mechanic completes the work. If you get a nay, you are now on the hook for all monies involved unless its a warranty claim that can be serviced by Ford (for example: A known Ford design defect caused the failure, which could have happened regardless of the blower).
Here are two hypothetical examples.
Example #1. You buy a serialized Roush Nitemare from a Ford dealer, and the Roush supercharger was installed by a Ford certified technician at the time of purchase. You are provided with a work order showing the supercharger being installed, and complete the Roush warranty registration card at the time of your purchase and also pay the $995 for the Roush powertrain warranty and submit that card and all paperwork as prescribed to Roush on time. You drive off the dealer lot and go right to your favorite drag strip to test out your truck, and halfway down the 1/4th mile your engine grenades.
You have it towed back to the dealer, tell them what happened, and during the course of the initial teardown, the technician discovers a bent rod and blown piston rings and "Ford" determines the failure was directly caused by the increased cylinder pressures from the supercharger and declines the warranty claim. You then contact Roush and request warranty coverage, and submit a copy of all required paperwork along with a copy of the Ford tear down report. Roush then declines your warranty because "racing" is clearly prohibited in their warranty paperwork and the failure happened at a drag strip.
Example #2. You have a Whipple supercharger installed by an ASE certified mechanic and follow all the requirements as listed by their warranty. You go about driving the car, and 6 months later you spin a rod bearing. Your car gets towed to the dealer and during the initial tear down it is confirmed the #6 bearing is damaged. However, there is an existing TSB regarding #6 rod bearing failures and it is a known issue that has surfaced in completely stock engines. Ford authorizes the warranty repair, because it was a known type of failure that could have happened regardless of the supercharger being present.
However, Ford only authorizes 12hrs book rate for this repair, but due to the presence of the supercharger there is additional work required to remove the Whipple supercharger and accessories and you are responsible for those costs. In total, Ford covers the rod bearing repair and you cover the additional labor required to remove and reinstall the aftermarket items at the time of the repair.
02-11-2019, 05:02 PM
#32
Senior Member
05-02-2019, 10:07 PM
#34
05-03-2019, 06:28 AM
#35
Senior Member
05-03-2019, 06:30 AM
#36
Senior Member
I was looking at a nightmare .. you're looking at 70k starting all the way up to 80k depending on the options you pick.. also it takes 2-3 months to build the truck and there is a 5k non refundable deposit .. at the point of spending 5k to wait for a truck for 2 -3 months the best bet is to just get a whipple stage 2 on your own
05-03-2019, 07:12 AM
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05-03-2019, 08:29 AM
#39
Senior Member
05-03-2019, 08:30 AM
#40
Senior Member
whipple is a better blower and will make more power .. Roush, Whipple and Procharger all offer 3rd party warranty .. the only thing i didn't like with the whipple warranty is that if your rims are bigger than factory rims the warranty is voided but you might not have that issue