mhamershock

Now we got guys using an 07 150 with a 5.4 as the basis for half-ton capability. That is an obsolete platform. Are you still using your flip-phone or Blackberry from 07 too?

And what is the measurement criteria for "stability"? It's not quantifiable like horsepower or torque or payload or RAWR.

OP is looking at MODERN truck platforms. The base F150 with either the 2.7 or 3.5 EB is an excellent towing platform if your needs are within a pretty broad range. It's payload limited in most cases. You step up to the HDPP and that's a totally different animal - on par with many 3/4 trucks in the past. It's totally capable for most people that want to tow less than 10,000.

You don't need a friggin diesel to tow 8000lbs with 1000lbs of tongue weight. I wouldn't do it with a fully loaded Platinum with a 2.7, but I'd tow it all over the country with an HDPP 3.5 and never break a sweat.

Mike

mass-hole

A tune will help fix that to some extent. Ford is rather lax on engaging DFCO(deceleration fuel cut-off?) which is where it totally turns off fueling while off the throttle. The tuners make this come on much stronger which helps engine braking a bit. My 5star tune engine brakes quite well and I have never had to more than Tap the brakes here and there on descents. No hard, prolonged braking for me.

It wont be like closing the VNT vanes on a turbo in the powerstroke, but it is adequate in my experience.

uzikaduzi

i did not know that... i always assumed it was simply a displacement issue since the 5.4, 4.6 and the 5.0 i had didn't seem to have the lack of engine braking the EB did.

blueoval28

OP here, now that I'm seeing my 16 Platinum Max Tow only has 1553lbs of payload I may have no choice but to make a change. Wow....should've kept my 14 lariat max tow. Damn...I didn't realize the platinums payload was that much lower.

uzikaduzi

its insane how much those nice packages eat into payload... i think that's likely why you can'd get a HDPP higher than lariat

mhamershock

What was it on your 14? Can't imagine that was much over 1700. My 11 Max Tow was around 1540 or so, and it was not enough truck for what I was doing. Hence my move to an 18 HDPP 150. For me the minimum acceptable payload is 2000 lbs, and even that's pushing it. It eliminates almost every quad cab 1/2 ton from any manufacturer. Even the Titan with the diesel is borderline and it's too damn ugly to buy anyway. The 2400 I ended up with is perfect.

Mike

F451

Besides you seeming to be being personally insulted for some reason, that's a good point. I'll detail my experience with my '17 F150 vs my '12 F250 in a separate post here.

Measurement criteria is how it drives and feels to me, of course. Never said any of it was quantifiable. Simple personal experience, never said it was anything else. Would expect the OP and anyone else to take it for what it is, free advice on the internet, usual caveats apply.

Never said the OP or anyone else needs a diesel.

F451

I realize the OP was asking about his 16 Platinum 3.5 with the max tow vs a 6.7, but it seems at least one person missed the whole point of my earlier post, so let me try to summurize (I'll elaborate more below): I, me, only me, just my feelings based on my personal experience, prefer being "over-trucked" to "under trucked" when towing/hauling. I'll put up with some of the negatives of a larger rig for the benefits it provides me during the 1 - 10 % of the time when I'm towing.

Of course not everyone feels that way and that's cool.

Additional input for the OP (and anyone else interested) regarding towing with my '17 F150 vs my '12 F250 (realizing the OP is asking about his 16 Platinum 3.5 with the max tow vs a 6.7). In short, there is no comparison. And I'm sure a '16 Platinum 3.5 with the max tow or better yet an HDPP rig with all the fixin's would tow better then my Scab, but there's a reason they make different trucks for different purposes. Just like there's a reason that if you go to any horse event you will see a sea of 3/4 and 1 ton trucks, lots of people prefer them for heavy and long tows, I know I do.

As I mentioned earlier, I traded in my '12 F250 crewcab 4x4 6.7 diesel for a '17 F150 Scab 4x4 2.7L. Also as I mentioned earlier, I thought I was done towing for the most part when I traded the F250 for the F150, turns out I was wrong.

Knowing I was going to be doing an 800 mile one way tow, in one long day, up and over a bunch of passes from the Seattle area to the Sacramento area in my new F150, I looked into improving its towing capabilities. I knew my new rig would never tow as well as the current 3/4 or 1 ton trucks, but I wanted it to be better. Added Bilstein 5100's all around, Hellwig sway bars front and back, Add A Leaf leaf springs in the rear, alignment after. Overall, a huge improvement in general daily driving and a huge improvement in towing. We made the 800 mile, 14 hour trip safe and sound.

And the entire trip I was missing my F250 diesel, there is just no comparison between the two, nor should there be, anyone with a lick of sense would know a the '12 F250 would tow better and it does.

Lastly, the OP mentioned "Stability is what has me leaning towards a 17 6.7 250", if stability during your long, heavy hauls, is what you are after, as I mentioned earlier, I'd recommend an F250 (or better yet an F350, gas or diesel).

blueoval28

1748 if my memory serves me right. On my 14

blueoval28

I follow what you're saying and appreciate your feedback. Stability is exactly what I'm after. No need to load the family and white knuckle the drive. Now realizing I'm at or being over payload I may have no choice but to get a different truck.