Fasttimez

Well, if you want the ULTIMATE light duty truck "1500 series" there will be NO COMPARISON or RIVAL for the new Nissan Titan 5.0 Cummins V8. It's rated at 310hp & 555tq in stock configuration. I'm a Ford man through & through but this Titan will be a BEAST of a truck. No MPG numbers as of yet, but I could have missed them....I'm guessing well over 30mpg empty & most likely mid 20's towing. With that much power on tap in stock trim, I'm only guessing an exhaust, DPF delete & a tune would easily add another 120hp & 150tq. So you might wanna wait until later this year or early next year for the Titan.
http://www.nissanusa.com/trucks/2016-titan/

Edit: Just saw some "estimated" MPG numbers, looking about 25-27 mpg. Prices looking about $50K for a fully loaded, top of the line model. So should be pretty competitive price wise.

jcat

30mpg empty and mid 20s towing in a full size, 5.0 v8 diesel truck? You're dreaming. That's going to be one heavy pig of a truck to move around.

It'll wind up in the same range as the Ram ecodiesel I'm betting. Empty, stripped out in the high 20s, start adding 4x4 and heavy luxury options will drop to the high teens/low 20s on dead flat highway. Towing maybe low 10s to mid teens.

Fasttimez

Just edited my above post....the Ram Eco-diesel is rated at 21-29 mpg city/highway.....

vulnox

If the 3.0L EcoDiesel can't reliably pull 30MPG freeway, I don't see how adding 2 liters and that extra weight will make it happen. It will be a strong truck, no doubt, but the cost of that engine as an option is going to be monstrous. You are looking at well-equiped F-250 territory once it's all configured. Just look at the added cost of the 3.0L EcoDiesel over the base V6 in the Ram and add about $2k more to that for a 5L Cummins Diesel.

Fasttimez

Regardless, even it gets high & mid 20's MPG, that's still WAY over what any F150 will do in the same class of pickup. I'm all for innovation & it seems Nissan has just upped the game by a considerable amount in the 1500 series of pickups. The Ram Eco-Diesel was a wash because of maintenance costs & other things, but the Cummins Titan will get a couple people thinking about getting behind the wheel of one.

jcat

how will the maint costs on that diesel titan be any different than the ram eco? It's still gonna need def and it probably carries more oil, making for a more expensive oil change.

The 2.7 EB has 15 more horsepower than the 5.0 cummins you're quoting and despite being 200lbft short on torque, it's also half a truck lighter. Plenty of people seeing low-mid 20s bone stock and still breaking in in the 2.7s.

Fasttimez

People who will buy the Titan are the ones that don't want a 2500-3500 series truck. They wanna smaller truck with the same power, that's the space this truck fills. A platinum or even a well equipped Lariat are the same or even over some F250-F350 prices.

Fasttimez

Obviously you haven't read my signature as to what I drive.....Like I said, there will be no truck in the 1500 series class that will compete with the Titan in power, towing ability or MPG.....price wise it may be more, maintenance costs it may be more....but you're also getting 2x the truck.

vulnox

I would wait on that until we actually get some reviews and real life mileage returns before we start saying it is beating anyone. Even if the mileage returns are higher than the 2.7L Ford or 3.0L EcoDiesel Ram, if the cost is even a couple thousand more for the engine upgrade than either of those, then you aren't really getting a cost benefit.

If the truck itself sucks as bad as the last Titan, all the engines in the world won't save it.

Claiming a winner when it isn't released isn't a good plan. You can put out all the numbers you want when nobody can drive one yet or put it to any real work. Plus, I don't think I would want a first model year of a mostly new Titan and an entirely new engine at the same time. By the time they get everything worked out, Ford will likely have their 10 speed auto out, which may boost mileage, and they also may have the badass new 3.5L Ecoboost they are putting in the Raptor in the general F-150 line (maybe, I have no idea, but it doesn't make sense to only build that for the Raptor).

Basically, by the time the Titan rolls onto lots with that Diesel, the truck options could have advanced enough to close the gap.

vulnox

Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, there is NO WAY you are getting 2 times the truck. You could put a 1000hp, 1000lbft of torque engine in an F-150 and it would still be limited by the structure of a half ton truck.

Towing at the current tow ratings of an F-150/Silverado/Ram right now is not something you would want to do every week. The Titan won't be any different, it's a simple matter of physics. There is a reason 3/4 ton and up trucks exist, and it isn't just engine options. If all Ford had to do was drop a diesel in the F-150 and it could replace the F-250-F-450 line they would do it in a heartbeat because they would save an insane amount of money not keeping multiple platforms around.

So maybe the new Titan will do 0-60 under a full trailer load faster than an F-150, big deal, but you can't fight overall physics and unless the Titan XD is planning to fight against the F-250/Ram 2500 line, you aren't getting 2x the truck, you are getting maybe 5% more truck.