RVerz

Nice one Hillary

Novo

I would say loosing your transmission at 65k,your turbo at 100k, first set of injectors which granaded the motor at 120k and the second set of injectors at 130k as not normal. The truck was bone stock too. Never chipped, oe everything.

BadAV

My daily commute is 57 miles round trip.10% surface streets with stoplights, the remainder Interstate. Evening commute is many times stop and go the whole way. My avg mpg over 8200 miles is 20.8. That puts me comfortably at over 700 miles between fillups if I want to run the tank down.

Nobody has discussed the other benefit of diesel over gas - you can drive a diesel engine a lot more miles before it needs a rebuild than you can a gas engine. I haven't researched real life mileage on the Ram eco diesel but I would lean towards it if I was in your situation and intended to keep the truck as my commuter vehicle for a lot of years. If you will trade in 5 or 6 years, that's a different story.

lariatpsd

I have and have had both and will tell you both are great I happen to like the ecodiesel myself, boost is faster more fun better towing blah blah but not sure why all the hate for the diesel. Good power untouchable mpg and I mean untouchable mpg, smooth. I'm very loyal to ford so I hope that when the new 18 comes with the little power stroke it's as good as the ecodiesel but just a bit more capable in truck form

Ohsix

Just tell the People in Pittsburgh Who cares where it's made Tell the people in Detroit Who cares where it's made

GenoBluzGtr

I did a ton of research comparing various trucks (yes, the Ram and the F150 were two of them) and especially looking at "cost of ownership"...

When considering MPG, you have to consider two things that work AGAINST the ecodiesel.. You'll use 2-3 gallons of DEF about every 100 gallons of diesel fuel, depending on your driving habits. That stuff is $8-$12 a gallon. So if you have a 32 gallon tank, expect to use a gallon of DEF every 3 fill-ups, and if Diesel is $2.50 a gallon (that's the price in my area), you will need to add about 10-15 cents to every gallon of diesel to factor in the urea (DEF) consumption. this article discusses.... http://www.truckinginfo.com/article/...uel-costs.aspx

So when making that mpg vs cost comparison add a dime to the cost per gallon... in my area, that means a diesel would cost me $2.65 per gallon and the Ecoboost would cost me $2.10 per gallon. Using Fuelly.com mpg averages for both vehicles, i found 18 avg for the 3.5EB and 24 avg for the Ram. Over a typical year (for me) of 30K miles, thats an added cost of:

Ecoboost - 18 mpg over 30K miles uses 1667 gallons at $2.10 per gallon or $3500
EcoDiesel - 24 mpg over 30K miles uses 1250 gallons at $2.50 per gallon or $3125
- add the DEF consumption and you come up with $3312 a saving of only $188 dollars per year.

That will QUICKLY get eaten up with the more frequent and more expensive maintenance. Diesel used to be quite a bit more economical, but since the EPA regulations have gone crazy and the DEF is required, it took that last bit of extra savings and tossed it aside. Not to mention, if you let the DEF tank go empty, you get stranded. The truck will not start if you let that get low. So it's not something you can mess around with.

BlackBoost

Diesel maintenance plus DEF fluid definitely offsets the better mileage. Only upside to the diesel is that it can work hard every day and last longer than a gas engine would doing the same amount of hard daily work. So it's good for construction trucks etc, but as a daily driver, only towing once in a while, the gas engine is your best bet and will cost you less in the long run.

cadent50

Sorry to repost this, for those of you that haven't seen this, but this helped me make my decision

ajsturtz

Here are numbers comparing the EcoDiesel to the 3.5L EB in Ames, IA:

Gas price - $2.19/gal
Diesel price - $2.45/gal
DEF - $4.17/gal

My 2012 has averaged 16.1mpg over 134,xxx miles of operating. I tow my Jeep a few places, which should equate to towing an 8000lb boat for this calculation. I have two other sales guys running Ecodiesels, their combined average over 161,xxx combined miles is 26.1mpg. Their cost for DEF is $0.005/mile.

2012 Ecoboost - $0.136/mile to operate
2015 EcoDiesel -$0.099/mile to operate (including DEF)

So, over 100,000 miles, the Ecodiesel will cost $3700 less to operate. You can argue that the diesel has a higher starting price to purchase, I'm only looking at primary operating costs. Plus, trade-in values of diesel vehicles are historically higher than their gas powered equivalent, which means you'll get xx% of the purchase price back at time of trade.

As far as operating range, I'd seriously consider an in-bed second tank if you want to minimize fillups. An EB with highway gears and a 50 gallon extender tank would give you about 11 driving days between fillups.

I get tired of filling up all the time too. I just drove this week to/from Fargo without stopping in either direction. It's nice to be able to run 500+miles without fuel stops!

BlackBoost

Operating costs also include maintenance and oil changes/filters etc. When you factor those in, it's a different story. So how much did maintenance/servicing cost over those 100,000? And also, are they towing as much as you do? That also makes a big ding in mileage differences. So if they don't tow, they're of course going to get better mileage.