3.0 PowerStroke diesel specs
01-07-2018, 03:01 PM
#21
Senior Member
I've always liked diesels. I like the sound; I like the smell; I like the engineering that goes into them. I won't be purchasing one of these new 3.0 PS trucks, but I can see the appeal for those who just like diesels.
I'm seeing a lot of comments indicating financial justification is the sole influencer of purchasing decisions, and that this must surely signal the demise of the 3.0 PS before it has even been released. Some of these comments are coming from owners of $70k decked out Limiteds with massaging seats. I wonder what kind of ROI they're getting on that feature? ; >
The point is people will buy what they like, regardless of whether it makes the most financial sense. I have a feeling the F-150 Power Stroke is going to do just fine, and will likely become pretty popular here once we start seeing owners post pictures and write-ups. I'm looking forward to seeing this option in the F-150 lineup.
I'm seeing a lot of comments indicating financial justification is the sole influencer of purchasing decisions, and that this must surely signal the demise of the 3.0 PS before it has even been released. Some of these comments are coming from owners of $70k decked out Limiteds with massaging seats. I wonder what kind of ROI they're getting on that feature? ; >
The point is people will buy what they like, regardless of whether it makes the most financial sense. I have a feeling the F-150 Power Stroke is going to do just fine, and will likely become pretty popular here once we start seeing owners post pictures and write-ups. I'm looking forward to seeing this option in the F-150 lineup.
I personally think that these diesels will be all over every construction site around the country. Majority of driving is slow, need torque, lots of idling. Don’t diesels idle more efficiently? Anyways, I think Ford knows what it’s doing, and I’m looking forward to seeing their new ideas
01-07-2018, 03:07 PM
#22
Interesting. I have a 2018 HDPP F150 with the 3.5 EB. Not sure why'd I'd choose the diesel over gas given the same chassis. I'd expect a higher payload with the gas motor. The gas motor makes plenty at 375/470 and tows my 8500 lb trailer very well.
Higher up front and maintenance costs but better fuel mileage might not be enough to sway me. Might be a better choice in the non-HDPP truck. Now if it had been a 5.0 liter and delivered 350/600 I'd be all over it. Unless Ford did what Nissan did and made the Titan with a **** payload. I want to see 2300+ payload worst case.
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Higher up front and maintenance costs but better fuel mileage might not be enough to sway me. Might be a better choice in the non-HDPP truck. Now if it had been a 5.0 liter and delivered 350/600 I'd be all over it. Unless Ford did what Nissan did and made the Titan with a **** payload. I want to see 2300+ payload worst case.
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01-07-2018, 03:20 PM
#23
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01-07-2018, 03:21 PM
#24
You can have a ton to torque, but if you don’t have a lot of hp too you will be moving slow. Hp is made by combining torque and rpm. Diesels don’t have good hp compared to an equal size turbo gas motor because they are RPM limited and the fuel burns too slowly to create torque well after 3000 rpm.
I've always liked diesels. I like the sound; I like the smell; I like the engineering that goes into them. I won't be purchasing one of these new 3.0 PS trucks, but I can see the appeal for those who just like diesels.
I'm seeing a lot of comments indicating financial justification is the sole influencer of purchasing decisions, and that this must surely signal the demise of the 3.0 PS before it has even been released. Some of these comments are coming from owners of $70k decked out Limiteds with massaging seats. I wonder what kind of ROI they're getting on that feature? ; >
The point is people will buy what they like, regardless of whether it makes the most financial sense. I have a feeling the F-150 Power Stroke is going to do just fine, and will likely become pretty popular here once we start seeing owners post pictures and write-ups. I'm looking forward to seeing this option in the F-150 lineup.
I'm seeing a lot of comments indicating financial justification is the sole influencer of purchasing decisions, and that this must surely signal the demise of the 3.0 PS before it has even been released. Some of these comments are coming from owners of $70k decked out Limiteds with massaging seats. I wonder what kind of ROI they're getting on that feature? ; >
The point is people will buy what they like, regardless of whether it makes the most financial sense. I have a feeling the F-150 Power Stroke is going to do just fine, and will likely become pretty popular here once we start seeing owners post pictures and write-ups. I'm looking forward to seeing this option in the F-150 lineup.
01-07-2018, 03:45 PM
#25
Senior Member
You can have a ton to torque, but if you don’t have a lot of hp too you will be moving slow. Hp is made by combining torque and rpm. Diesels don’t have good hp compared to an equal size turbo gas motor because they are RPM limited and the fuel burns too slowly to create torque well after 3000 rpm.
The engineers at Audi would like to differ with your statement...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_R10_TDI
01-07-2018, 05:17 PM
#26
Senior Member
I can tell you if the f150 psd gets anywhere near the mpg of a eco diesel you will see lots of ecoboost guys that were sold on and had the misconception of the twin turbo v6 getting great mpg swap over to the f150 psd. I know lots of people that are upset with thier current mpg. Most say yeah it hauls ***.. tows good.. and drives like a sports car but it gets terrible mpg.
I will be giving the it a hard look next go round.
I will be giving the it a hard look next go round.
01-07-2018, 07:46 PM
#27
The engineers at Audi would like to differ with your statement...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_R10_TDI
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_R10_TDI
And actually, that’s a perfect example, a 5.5 L with twin turbos that makes 700 hp. A twin turbo coyote makes that and is found in everyday street cars and trucks
Last edited by mass-hole; 01-07-2018 at 07:51 PM.
01-07-2018, 07:50 PM
#28
Senior Member
The Audi was the most recent example, for others:
https://cumminsengines.com/cummins-indy-racing-heritage
01-07-2018, 07:54 PM
#29
Senior Member
Which production car gets a twin turbo coyote, and let's see that tuner special run for 24 hours straight at full song at LeMans.
01-08-2018, 02:55 AM
#30
Senior Member
I personally think that these diesels will be all over every construction site around the country. Majority of driving is slow, need torque, lots of idling. Don’t diesels idle more efficiently? Anyways, I think Ford knows what it’s doing, and I’m looking forward to seeing their new ideas
If you constantly idle a modern emissions compliant diesel you will end up with clogged egr coolers, clogged DPF filters and repeated trips to the dealership. AKA downtime. New diesels need to be worked hard to keep the emissions systems happy. EG hauling a load at highway speeds.
This is why many contractors and utility companies are now starting to replace their diesel pickups with gas trucks. Diesel trucks are no longer the most reliable choice under those conditions.
Letting the engine idle for long periods of time is literally the worst thing you can do to a new diesel short of intentionally trying to damage it.