2018 F150 3.0 Diesel Speculation and Facts
12-19-2017, 09:50 AM
#211
But But J15, Its a DIESEL!!! 
Great breakdown BTW!
Great breakdown BTW!
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12-19-2017, 09:59 AM
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12-19-2017, 01:11 PM
#213
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Finding out that you really do like to pork cows made this thread very special.
Your analysis is based on numbers posted that have to be approved by several different government agencies. EPA and FTC are two. EPA says this is the way mileage numbers are reached and FTC says you cannot advertise something that cannot be attained all the time. Why else do you think NONE of the auto makers publish economy numbers for the heavy duty diesel class trucks?
However, I am only reporting facts as we have experienced them and applied them to the calculations used. I am absolutely positive that your facts taken from the heavy duty diesel world must rule all classes of vehicles.
I bow to your superior everything.
Clearly anyone driving a diesel needs their head examined because the ONLY fuel worth anything is gasoline that is a by product of the diesel refining product (as said by an ASTM fuels specialist I run around with).
Enjoy your Christmas
Your analysis is based on numbers posted that have to be approved by several different government agencies. EPA and FTC are two. EPA says this is the way mileage numbers are reached and FTC says you cannot advertise something that cannot be attained all the time. Why else do you think NONE of the auto makers publish economy numbers for the heavy duty diesel class trucks?
However, I am only reporting facts as we have experienced them and applied them to the calculations used. I am absolutely positive that your facts taken from the heavy duty diesel world must rule all classes of vehicles.
I bow to your superior everything.
Clearly anyone driving a diesel needs their head examined because the ONLY fuel worth anything is gasoline that is a by product of the diesel refining product (as said by an ASTM fuels specialist I run around with).
Enjoy your Christmas
-HD Vehicles (8k gvwr or up) do not publish fuel economy numbers because they are not legally required to-it has nothing to do with manufacturers arbitrarily deciding that that class of vehicle should be different. If it werent for laws on the books, companies wouldnt publish fuel economy numbers for ANY vehicles.
-You have effectively insinuated that the EPA and FTC cant be trusted to provide accurate fuel economy ratings anf information. While not all individuals get the epa rated fuel economy for a variety of reasons, it does provide a consistent baseline for comparison across all vehicles. So, again I say lets stick to facts and science as compared to what you or your buddy think might happen.
12-19-2017, 01:50 PM
#214
That being said, this is the key takeaway: in order to break even on the diesel option using fuel costs alone, you need to own the truck for over 200,000 miles, spend $0 more on maintenance over a gas engine, never drive the truck off the highway, never have a regeneration cycle, get a tax exemption for $4200 of your purchase, and never buy diesel exhaust fluid - which, by the way, would run out at about 3000 miles and put your truck into limp mode. Oh, and speaking of limping, you're driving a 5600lb truck with 300hp. You're in the same performance class as a Prius.
I'm still curious to see this new truck though, having a ~400hp diesel f150 that could knock down some impressive hwy numbers would be cool.
12-19-2017, 02:01 PM
#215
With a full delete it may have some potential. I don’t expect to see that very often though.
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12-19-2017, 07:35 PM
#216
Right...
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That being said, this is the key takeaway: in order to break even on the diesel option using fuel costs alone, you need to own the truck for over 200,000 miles, spend $0 more on maintenance over a gas engine, never drive the truck off the highway, never have a regeneration cycle, get a tax exemption for $4200 of your purchase, and never buy diesel exhaust fluid - which, by the way, would run out at about 3000 miles and put your truck into limp mode. Oh, and speaking of limping, you're driving a 5600lb truck with 300hp. You're in the same performance class as a Prius. Seriously, check the 0-60 times. Prius.
Good talk.
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That being said, this is the key takeaway: in order to break even on the diesel option using fuel costs alone, you need to own the truck for over 200,000 miles, spend $0 more on maintenance over a gas engine, never drive the truck off the highway, never have a regeneration cycle, get a tax exemption for $4200 of your purchase, and never buy diesel exhaust fluid - which, by the way, would run out at about 3000 miles and put your truck into limp mode. Oh, and speaking of limping, you're driving a 5600lb truck with 300hp. You're in the same performance class as a Prius. Seriously, check the 0-60 times. Prius.
Good talk.
Best post ever. Same conclusion I reached, and yes, I have a diesel transit for my company, performance is painful, mileage is okay, cost to operate, cold starting, maintenance cost are all completely unacceptable. I will add that the mileage tanks way harder in the extreme cold, probably the DEF heater running all the time to thaw out the magic water.Dude you freaking nailed it
I have been saying this for years. I thought the Ram ecodumpster was gonna be a game changer for 1/2 tons.
So I test drove one and was offended by how slow it was. What a turd. I would be scared to pull out in traffic in that.
Then I started doing the math and what a joke.
Why Ford or Chevy are doing this is beyond me.
I have been saying this for years. I thought the Ram ecodumpster was gonna be a game changer for 1/2 tons.
So I test drove one and was offended by how slow it was. What a turd. I would be scared to pull out in traffic in that.
Then I started doing the math and what a joke.
Why Ford or Chevy are doing this is beyond me.
Finding out that you really do like to pork cows made this thread very special.
Your analysis is based on numbers posted that have to be approved by several different government agencies. EPA and FTC are two. EPA says this is the way mileage numbers are reached and FTC says you cannot advertise something that cannot be attained all the time. Why else do you think NONE of the auto makers publish economy numbers for the heavy duty diesel class trucks?
However, I am only reporting facts as we have experienced them and applied them to the calculations used. I am absolutely positive that your facts taken from the heavy duty diesel world must rule all classes of vehicles.
I bow to your superior everything.
Clearly anyone driving a diesel needs their head examined because the ONLY fuel worth anything is gasoline that is a by product of the diesel refining product (as said by an ASTM fuels specialist I run around with).
Enjoy your Christmas
Your analysis is based on numbers posted that have to be approved by several different government agencies. EPA and FTC are two. EPA says this is the way mileage numbers are reached and FTC says you cannot advertise something that cannot be attained all the time. Why else do you think NONE of the auto makers publish economy numbers for the heavy duty diesel class trucks?
However, I am only reporting facts as we have experienced them and applied them to the calculations used. I am absolutely positive that your facts taken from the heavy duty diesel world must rule all classes of vehicles.
I bow to your superior everything.
Clearly anyone driving a diesel needs their head examined because the ONLY fuel worth anything is gasoline that is a by product of the diesel refining product (as said by an ASTM fuels specialist I run around with).
Enjoy your Christmas
It's totally baffling why some folks can't just say "I like diesels, ya, they make no sense, it's irrational but I like it". Instead they need to be sent to school. Thanks from the rest of us.
12-19-2017, 07:47 PM
#217
Former Diesel owner, when Diesel was cost effective. The moment it became more costly to own than gas, it was parked. I do wish I still had that truck today though as it would be more cost efficient than todays Diesel, but not as a DD.
12-19-2017, 11:17 PM
#218
I think the fact that you have resorted to name calling speaks directly to your level of intelligence and integrity.
However, you have convinced me that only members of the idle rich class can afford diesels so that means us poor working people are paying way too much taxes because you guys aren't. Scummy rich folks taking it out on poor folks need to pay extra taxes rather than be coddled with tax breaks like you are.
So when I sit down with my Congressman for lunch next week, I will suggest that we raise diesel taxes an additional $1 a galleon and reduce the amount gas burners used by working folks have to pay in fuel taxes by lowering gas taxes. I will do the same thing next month when I go to dinner with our Senator. That will help the economy as working folks will have more useable cash and rich diesel drives will pay their fair share for a change.
I am sure that will make your numbers against diesels much stronger. I assure you that I am going to spend a lot of money seeing to it that you get your desires on that subject.
12-20-2017, 02:56 AM
#219
From Gas vs Diesel Warfare to Class Warfare. Great.
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