2018 Diesel Specs Released
01-09-2018, 08:58 AM
#11
With the $4K option adder, you don't actually have to save $4K worth of gas....you have to make up the difference of what that $4K depreciates. So, if having the diesel engine brings $2K more when you sell it, you only needed to make up $2K...not the whole $4K.
After they have been out for a short while, they will be discounted just as much as regular F-150's because they ARE regular F-150's. More people don't want the hassle of diesel than do want the hassle of diesel.
I wish them luck. If they sell a bunch, then the next upgrade should have more power and better efficiency..
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01-09-2018, 01:00 PM
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01-09-2018, 01:29 PM
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01-09-2018, 02:51 PM
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Lots of folks, to be honest. That's why GM/Chevy sells theirs, Ram offers the Ecodiesel, and Ford decided to jump into the game. There are people that have been wanting a diesel in a 1/2 ton truck for quite a while.
With the $4K option adder, you don't actually have to save $4K worth of gas....you have to make up the difference of what that $4K depreciates. So, if having the diesel engine brings $2K more when you sell it, you only needed to make up $2K...not the whole $4K.
With the $4K option adder, you don't actually have to save $4K worth of gas....you have to make up the difference of what that $4K depreciates. So, if having the diesel engine brings $2K more when you sell it, you only needed to make up $2K...not the whole $4K.
Looks like depreciation was roughly $600. Is there a long term test on this posted somewhere that covers the maintenance cost? I've heard oil changes run $200 range.
Sorry for the huge post.
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01-09-2018, 03:00 PM
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01-09-2018, 03:47 PM
#18
Lots of folks, to be honest. That's why GM/Chevy sells theirs, Ram offers the Ecodiesel, and Ford decided to jump into the game. There are people that have been wanting a diesel in a 1/2 ton truck for quite a while.
With the $4K option adder, you don't actually have to save $4K worth of gas....you have to make up the difference of what that $4K depreciates. So, if having the diesel engine brings $2K more when you sell it, you only needed to make up $2K...not the whole $4K.
With the $4K option adder, you don't actually have to save $4K worth of gas....you have to make up the difference of what that $4K depreciates. So, if having the diesel engine brings $2K more when you sell it, you only needed to make up $2K...not the whole $4K.
1. GM/RAM do not sell a HUGE number of diesel (below super duty) relative to the gasoline trucks, the ratio is actually pretty low. The reason? Ironically, capability.
At 440torque, that 30 less than the 3.5EB for more money. Now at 30mpg highway, you may make up the difference in economy....but, that's coming so close to break even it's probably not worth discussing.
When you get into SuperDuty (or equivalent) status...now the diesel has a HUGE capability benefit. The big diesels put out 900+ft/lbs of torque.
The other issue in the half tons is actually using the truck...you run out of payload before you hit the towing limits. My EB with max tow is rated at 11k+; however, I run out of payload long before I can tow that much.....hence the need to move up to superduty. it's payload more than towing capacity.
2) RE: depreciation - you have to make up the DIFFERENCE in depreciation relative to the gas alternatives. In your example above whereby the diesel holds 50% of its value, if the gas holds 60% (making that up) - You'd have to make up another 10% on the diesel in MPG.
my 2p on this point is this: Ford is making hay with the F-series by offering a HUGE number of configurations. I'd bet this engine doesn't have a huge number of R&D dollars in it....and, they can claim they offer yet one more option.
For CAFE reasons - I would think they'd want as many buyers in this as possible.
01-09-2018, 03:51 PM
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The video said $4k on top of the 2.7ecoboost, which was $795 when I bought mine. Maintenance WILL be higher. TFL did a long term review of the Colorado/ canyon diesel and it was like 3 or 4 times the gas was for maintenance. Diesel is around $0.30 more per gallon around me. 75 Less hp than my 2.7 and only 65 more ft lbs of torque. It doesn't make sense financially or for towing. They already tested the 2.7 against the ecodiesel with similar power specs as the Ford diesel and it was 45 seconds behind the 2.7 towing a 7000 lb trailer uphill for 3 miles.
Who wants a truck that's slower, more expensive to buy, more expensive to own, and requires DEF?
Who wants a truck that's slower, more expensive to buy, more expensive to own, and requires DEF?
Well for one thing, the 2.7 has a 7000 pound tow limit. The Diesel, 11000 pounds. If you TOW a lot, then the diesel will be the best choice out of all the Ford engines, mainly due to the fact that diesels do best when being worked hard. And while working hard will return the best in fuel economy than any of the gas engines.
If you tow a travel trailer, or any large enclosed trailer, with the 3.5 EB which is in the same tow rating, you can expect to get between 6 and 11 MPG, with most averages being 8. IF(note I say IF because there are no stats yet) the Diesel can get a comfortable 12-15 MPG while towing, that is where the option becomes economical. This is where the Diesel engine will fit in best, not for daily driving as maintenance costs will offset any fuel savings, regardless how many miles driven, more miles per calendar period, more the maintenance costs, but in daily towing. Pretty sure this is why Ford offers it in the Fleet variation, for businesses that do a lot of towing, such as gardeners, plumbers, construction, etc.
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01-09-2018, 03:51 PM
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