2018 5.0L vs 2017 3.5L Ecoboost vs 2018 2.7L Ecoboost vs 2018 Raptor
11-29-2017, 02:12 PM
#51
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Test, page 6 wouldnt open. Okay after posting.
11-29-2017, 02:32 PM
#52
While I understand the standardized metric of performance argument - a standing quarter mile is not a good measure of how a truck will be used.
And, if you're buying a truck for drag racing....well, um....you may have made a poor decision.
Torque is king with trucks; and, the lower in the RPM range it can be delivered....the better. If you can hold it - better still.
The EBs are great for holding torque. Time will tell if they replace v8s.
I expect GM to push the 6.2 to numbers higher than the 3.5EB (375/470) with the introduction of the 2019 model year.
I'm not sure I agree the "turbo tech" has been around forever.....it has been around; however, it hasn't been terribly effective until recently.
I personally credit BMW for this. Their twin turbo engines, particularlyl the inline 6 are really damn fantastic.
3.5l EB 449lbs
6.2l GM 466lbs
5.0 Ford 411 - 460lbs
Those numbers are interesting. When I first started googling - I expected the EB to weigh substantially less. Learned something today.
And, if you're buying a truck for drag racing....well, um....you may have made a poor decision.
Torque is king with trucks; and, the lower in the RPM range it can be delivered....the better. If you can hold it - better still.
The EBs are great for holding torque. Time will tell if they replace v8s.
I expect GM to push the 6.2 to numbers higher than the 3.5EB (375/470) with the introduction of the 2019 model year.
I'm not sure I agree the "turbo tech" has been around forever.....it has been around; however, it hasn't been terribly effective until recently.
I personally credit BMW for this. Their twin turbo engines, particularlyl the inline 6 are really damn fantastic.
3.5l EB 449lbs
6.2l GM 466lbs
5.0 Ford 411 - 460lbs
Those numbers are interesting. When I first started googling - I expected the EB to weigh substantially less. Learned something today.
11-29-2017, 02:39 PM
#53
I don't know that I completely agree. Turbo technology it has been used in commercial big rigs for forever. Its metal is proven in high mileage, heavy load applications.
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11-29-2017, 02:44 PM
#54
its newer to trucks I suppose, since they dont have the performance following that cars have, but its been around for awhile.
modern fuel injection and engine control management systems have certainly opened the door for this and made it easier/fiscally safer for OEMs to mainstream this to the masses, but its mostly because no one marketed it before. Lots of extra cost there when people are willing to buy the same old crap over and over. No EPA to push them, no advancements unless they decide to do so.
This is not directed at you... but the majority of people dont know a lick about engines or turbo or anything. All they know is that ford has something called ecoboost where they make a 4 cyl feel like a 6 cyl or make a 6ycl feel like a v8 and thats it. And thats how they really push this market, selling to those types of people, marketing it as some magic bean that ford has come up. When in reality... like you said, BMW has been doing this for quite awhile, and so have others. Ford has experimented with turbos in the past as well, but never tried to shove it down the average consumers gullet like they have been doing for the past 5 years.
for the record, i own an ecoboost truck. I'm not against it, I think its great, but I'm just not a kool-aid drinker or a sheep.
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11-29-2017, 02:53 PM
#55
While I understand the standardized metric of performance argument - a standing quarter mile is not a good measure of how a truck will be used.
And, if you're buying a truck for drag racing....well, um....you may have made a poor decision.
Torque is king with trucks; and, the lower in the RPM range it can be delivered....the better. If you can hold it - better still.
The EBs are great for holding torque. Time will tell if they replace v8s.
I expect GM to push the 6.2 to numbers higher than the 3.5EB (375/470) with the introduction of the 2019 model year.
I'm not sure I agree the "turbo tech" has been around forever.....it has been around; however, it hasn't been terribly effective until recently.
I personally credit BMW for this. Their twin turbo engines, particularlyl the inline 6 are really damn fantastic.
3.5l EB 449lbs
6.2l GM 466lbs
5.0 Ford 411 - 460lbs
Those numbers are interesting. When I first started googling - I expected the EB to weigh substantially less. Learned something today.
And, if you're buying a truck for drag racing....well, um....you may have made a poor decision.
Torque is king with trucks; and, the lower in the RPM range it can be delivered....the better. If you can hold it - better still.
The EBs are great for holding torque. Time will tell if they replace v8s.
I expect GM to push the 6.2 to numbers higher than the 3.5EB (375/470) with the introduction of the 2019 model year.
I'm not sure I agree the "turbo tech" has been around forever.....it has been around; however, it hasn't been terribly effective until recently.
I personally credit BMW for this. Their twin turbo engines, particularlyl the inline 6 are really damn fantastic.
3.5l EB 449lbs
6.2l GM 466lbs
5.0 Ford 411 - 460lbs
Those numbers are interesting. When I first started googling - I expected the EB to weigh substantially less. Learned something today.
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11-29-2017, 02:58 PM
#56
While I understand the standardized metric of performance argument - a standing quarter mile is not a good measure of how a truck will be used.
And, if you're buying a truck for drag racing....well, um....you may have made a poor decision.
Torque is king with trucks; and, the lower in the RPM range it can be delivered....the better. If you can hold it - better still.
The EBs are great for holding torque. Time will tell if they replace v8s.
I expect GM to push the 6.2 to numbers higher than the 3.5EB (375/470) with the introduction of the 2019 model year.
I'm not sure I agree the "turbo tech" has been around forever.....it has been around; however, it hasn't been terribly effective until recently.
I personally credit BMW for this. Their twin turbo engines, particularlyl the inline 6 are really damn fantastic.
3.5l EB 449lbs
6.2l GM 466lbs
5.0 Ford 411 - 460lbs
Those numbers are interesting. When I first started googling - I expected the EB to weigh substantially less. Learned something today.
And, if you're buying a truck for drag racing....well, um....you may have made a poor decision.
Torque is king with trucks; and, the lower in the RPM range it can be delivered....the better. If you can hold it - better still.
The EBs are great for holding torque. Time will tell if they replace v8s.
I expect GM to push the 6.2 to numbers higher than the 3.5EB (375/470) with the introduction of the 2019 model year.
I'm not sure I agree the "turbo tech" has been around forever.....it has been around; however, it hasn't been terribly effective until recently.
I personally credit BMW for this. Their twin turbo engines, particularlyl the inline 6 are really damn fantastic.
3.5l EB 449lbs
6.2l GM 466lbs
5.0 Ford 411 - 460lbs
Those numbers are interesting. When I first started googling - I expected the EB to weigh substantially less. Learned something today.
11-29-2017, 04:01 PM
#57
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I tow a lot and bought the 5.0l for its more linear power output, better engine braking, and lack of turbo lag (even if there are still those who refuse to acknowledge it, it's still there).
Each to their own.
Each to their own.
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11-29-2017, 04:01 PM
#58
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No, no, no. I am a car guy from way back. I used to build hotrods. In particular, my best project was a 65 step side with a 390. Damn thing would lift the front wheels off the ground when I had the 370 gears installed. Technology has moved on from the NA V8. It's in its last years.It's not going to be too long before you see electric vehicles smoking V8s at the drag strip. The EB motors are producing more power than V8s did only a few years back and a lot more efficiently. The V8 is kept around because guys like you want them but the number one selling motor in the F150 is the 2.7 EB, it also has the best fuel economy. You want to tow, hands down it's the 3.5EB. Where does this leave the 5.0? A motor for guys that want to go old school, that's about it.
11-29-2017, 04:23 PM
#59
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v8 guys beating their chest in here, LOL
guys, i think we can read numbers, the v8 makes 20 more horsepower, what's surprising to me is that it isn't actually faster at the end of the 1/4 mile by any appreciable amount. It's basically equal, and that's it. Just run 93 octane in both engines and settle it, as i know for a fact running 93 vs 87 made a noticeable impact on performance in my 17 3.5.
guys, i think we can read numbers, the v8 makes 20 more horsepower, what's surprising to me is that it isn't actually faster at the end of the 1/4 mile by any appreciable amount. It's basically equal, and that's it. Just run 93 octane in both engines and settle it, as i know for a fact running 93 vs 87 made a noticeable impact on performance in my 17 3.5.
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11-29-2017, 04:44 PM
#60
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v8 guys beating their chest in here, LOL
guys, i think we can read numbers, the v8 makes 20 more horsepower, what's surprising to me is that it isn't actually faster at the end of the 1/4 mile by any appreciable amount. It's basically equal, and that's it. Just run 93 octane in both engines and settle it, as i know for a fact running 93 vs 87 made a noticeable impact on performance in my 17 3.5.
guys, i think we can read numbers, the v8 makes 20 more horsepower, what's surprising to me is that it isn't actually faster at the end of the 1/4 mile by any appreciable amount. It's basically equal, and that's it. Just run 93 octane in both engines and settle it, as i know for a fact running 93 vs 87 made a noticeable impact on performance in my 17 3.5.
