Originally Posted by Opus-n-Bill

I've never used a tuner, so I'm a complete noob and have a couple fairly basic questions:

Looking at tuners that can tune the 2017 3.5, I see the N-Gauge, SCT BDX, and Livernois, among others (don't want to start an argument about which is best - I picked these 3 because they work on the 2017 and all seem to have good reputations). 5star sells the n-gauge and bdx, and Livernois can be bought direct from them.

If I understand it, Livernois is proprietary, and you can only use their tunes with their tuner (they claim their proprietary device can change more parameters than others?).
N-Gauge and SCT provide tuners and tunes, but if you buy from someone like 5Star, they sell the tuner, but with their own tunes. So I could buy an n-gauge or bdx tuner and use the ones from the tuner manufacturer or buy tunes from 5star, or even other tune providers (i.e. the tuner and tunes are really separate, though if I know I want 5star tunes, buying the tuner with tunes from 5star is the most economical/simple) (right?)

The Livernois tuner+tunes changes the engine tune - but does it change the transmission? Looks like to make changes for larger tires, Livernois requires me to buy another device. Anyone have any experience with the Livernois tuner on the 2017 3.5 eco?

Buying the BDX from 5star will get me engine tuning, but not transmission tuning (at least from 5-star - is that a limitation of the tuner, or 5Star (they say no trans in the initial release, so I assume that will come later? i.e. this device is capable of tuning the trans, but 5star doesn't have that ready yet?). Does it allow me to change tire size?

The N-gauge looks like it allows tuning of engine and transmission. Does it allow changing of tire size as well? The n-gauge looks like it's meant to be mounted permanently, but I assume I can connect it, tune the truck, then remove it?)

And finally, if I tune, then change the air intake and intercooler (to something like a freak-o-boost to make room for a hidden winch), or the exhaust, etc, will that affect the tune (and do I just go back to 5star with after rereading the vehicle?)

Originally Posted by Opus-n-Bill

I've never used a tuner, so I'm a complete noob and have a couple fairly basic questions:

Looking at tuners that can tune the 2017 3.5, I see the N-Gauge, SCT BDX, and Livernois, among others (don't want to start an argument about which is best - I picked these 3 because they work on the 2017 and all seem to have good reputations). 5star sells the n-gauge and bdx, and Livernois can be bought direct from them.

If I understand it, Livernois is proprietary, and you can only use their tunes with their tuner (they claim their proprietary device can change more parameters than others?).
N-Gauge and SCT provide tuners and tunes, but if you buy from someone like 5Star, they sell the tuner, but with their own tunes. So I could buy an n-gauge or bdx tuner and use the ones from the tuner manufacturer or buy tunes from 5star, or even other tune providers (i.e. the tuner and tunes are really separate, though if I know I want 5star tunes, buying the tuner with tunes from 5star is the most economical/simple) (right?)

The Livernois tuner+tunes changes the engine tune - but does it change the transmission? Looks like to make changes for larger tires, Livernois requires me to buy another device. Anyone have any experience with the Livernois tuner on the 2017 3.5 eco?

Buying the BDX from 5star will get me engine tuning, but not transmission tuning (at least from 5-star - is that a limitation of the tuner, or 5Star (they say no trans in the initial release, so I assume that will come later? i.e. this device is capable of tuning the trans, but 5star doesn't have that ready yet?). Does it allow me to change tire size?

The N-gauge looks like it allows tuning of engine and transmission. Does it allow changing of tire size as well? The n-gauge looks like it's meant to be mounted permanently, but I assume I can connect it, tune the truck, then remove it?)

And finally, if I tune, then change the air intake and intercooler (to something like a freak-o-boost to make room for a hidden winch), or the exhaust, etc, will that affect the tune (and do I just go back to 5star with after rereading the vehicle?)

Originally Posted by carbo

Livernois cannot do trans on 17...yet.....they also have no device to use for their tunes ....yet. You have to send in the ECU. Then if you want back to stock you send it in again.....And the device (mycal) that was used up to 17 won't be supported on the 17's when/if they release.

Originally Posted by weswalter

Okay, so let us address the elephant in the room, will all of us who bought the Mycal and tunes from you previously be requried to pay for another MyCal and tunes again? I have been an advocate for Livernois since when I got my 2015 2.7 eco tuned through you as they were great and the hook for paying more to Livernois was that it would allow you to keep getting new tunes based on mods AND you could transfer to a new vehcile. Well now I have a 17 3.5 due to now having a heavier towing need BUT if you are going to break faith, I will have to consider a non-proprietary tuner and tunes from other reputable tuners. Perhaps it is just that I am an old retired Army vet to whom keeping your word is a very big deal.

Originally Posted by dajohu

Does Ford (or dealers) offer any under warranty options for tuning? I Drive 25k miles a year and under warranty until 125k so I don't want to push the envelope for any warranty related issues I may run into. If there is an official route (roush or whatever options Ford used to offer) even if it costs more for less gain, I would prefer to take that route and not have to risk fighting over any warranty claims later.

I won't beat on my F150 but would love another 100hp/tq for minimal cost like a tuner would do. Also love the option of loading an Eco tune where I could pick up extra mpg at the cost of some performance for my weekly commute of 400+ miles.

Originally Posted by dajohu

Does Ford (or dealers) offer any under warranty options for tuning? I Drive 25k miles a year and under warranty until 125k so I don't want to push the envelope for any warranty related issues I may run into. If there is an official route (roush or whatever options Ford used to offer) even if it costs more for less gain, I would prefer to take that route and not have to risk fighting over any warranty claims later.

I won't beat on my F150 but would love another 100hp/tq for minimal cost like a tuner would do. Also love the option of loading an Eco tune where I could pick up extra mpg at the cost of some performance for my weekly commute of 400+ miles.

Originally Posted by weswalter

Well unfortunately, that makes sense but it also pretty much makes everybody;s “lifetime” tunes a crap shoot. The good news is that now I have had to move to the 17 Gen 2 3.5 for towing reasons, short of catastrophic failure I will not be getting a new truck anytime soon!

Let me ask this, if a person has an Nguage or SCT will Livernois tunes work in it or will you still requrie the MyCal?