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Old 10-04-2017, 04:10 PM
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Finally had a chance to monitor boost pressure while driving the truck and thought I’d post my findings.

As monitored by the onboard boost pressure sensor 27psi in 1st gear, 33psi in all other gears.

Of note: The pcm also makes desired boost pressure available. The desired boost pressure at idle is 12psi. As throttle position increases so does the desired boost pressure. However, the desired boost pressure increases gradually but quickly in 1st gear. It’s also somewhat gradual but closer to instant in 2nd and beyond.

I was also able to monitor the waste gate duty cycle. This is certainly (and obviously) where the tunes are finding additional power as the pcm is clearly holding back boost pressure under many circumstances.

What does Ora this mean to you? Probably nothing but I still found it worth sharing. 30psi is quite a bit and much more than I expected.
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The sensor is also reading atmospheric pressure. You will have subtract the atmospheric pressure from the boost readings. At Denver's altitude 12psi for atmospheric pressure so at idle the boost is actually 0psi.
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Originally Posted by D2Abbott
Finally had a chance to monitor boost pressure while driving the truck and thought I’d post my findings.

As monitored by the onboard boost pressure sensor 27psi in 1st gear, 33psi in all other gears.

Of note: The pcm also makes desired boost pressure available. The desired boost pressure at idle is 12psi. As throttle position increases so does the desired boost pressure. However, the desired boost pressure increases gradually but quickly in 1st gear. It’s also somewhat gradual but closer to instant in 2nd and beyond.

I was also able to monitor the waste gate duty cycle. This is certainly (and obviously) where the tunes are finding additional power as the pcm is clearly holding back boost pressure under many circumstances.

What does Ora this mean to you? Probably nothing but I still found it worth sharing. 30psi is quite a bit and much more than I expected.
Good info! Currently in Denver now visiting friends wish I could have driven my busted *** 2.7 so you could see mine, because I feel like I'm not building as much boost and it's running far too rich as to why it's still running like crap after new heads put on.
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Possibly, and a good observation. When I have the time again there is a wealth of information available in the pcm live data that I could use to verify this. 12psi was the desired boost pressure at idle and was being held there via the waste gate duty cycle. So while you are correct that atmospheric pressure may come into play, it also indicates that the turbo pressure is needed to be controlled even at idle.

Regardless, there is much computer intervention happening with boost pressure at all times and much of it available. That was the point of my post. Hopefully I will soon have a 3.5T test mule to compare it to.

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The sensor is also reading atmospheric pressure. You will have subtract the atmospheric pressure from the boost readings. At Denver's altitude 12psi for atmospheric pressure so at idle the boost is actually 0psi.
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I used an old phone and installed obdlink app and connected to obdmx tool I use with forscan.

First gear peaked at 9 psi
Second peaked at 15 psi
To much traffic at the time to check other gears but I will later.
BTW. My truck runs great and the butt dyno says it is a lot more fun to drive than the 5.3 chevy I traded in.

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Interesting. And yes, LOL, you have to find a good place to find full boost!
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Wait, I may be misunderstanding but are you saying you're seeing 27+lbs of boost on a (assuming?) stock 2.7 EB? If so, I'm wondering what changed from the 15 to 17.
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Wait, I may be misunderstanding but are you saying you're seeing 27+lbs of boost on a (assuming?) stock 2.7 EB? If so, I'm wondering what changed from the 15 to 17.
He's reading the sensor that is adding atmospheric to the boost. So for where he's at in Colorado, atmospheric is 12-13 psi. so his truck is seeing:

27 - 12 = 15 psi
33 -12 = 21 psi

Most likely scenario is 15-20 psi.
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Ah ok, that makes more sense to me. I didn't see it in the original post but I'm guessing that's not stock?

My interest is this is that I'm seeing 17.8 WOT in sport mode on a 15 with a 93 Per/Tow 5* setup, although I just made the change. I'm not sure what these trucks make stock although I'm considering testing it to see the actual delta.
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Mine actually ran better, more torque coming up the mountain grades than on the level (much lower altitudes) it seemed Monday, the higher we climbed the better she performed. Lol



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