2016 SVT Raptor?
08-23-2014, 11:09 AM
#61
Senior Member
Another interesting bit of trivia, the sensors and electronics that comprise Off-road Mode were copied from Range Rover when Ford owned Rover and Jaguar.
08-23-2014, 11:34 AM
#62
Senior Member
I forgot the most important thing... The LED marker lights, lol
08-23-2014, 11:53 AM
#63
Raptor Minion
Sure, Ford and SVT spent two years designing and building the Raptor, and in all that time they just slapped some shiny shocks, reprogrammed the ECU and found just the right shade of red for the steering wheel ring.
Gotcha.
It's time for me to move along.
08-23-2014, 11:59 AM
#64
Senior Member
No. I'm not biting. Your statement shows you are very... misinformed. And I'm not going to engage in a debate with someone who has obviously not done their homework. I'm not going to do it for you. Sure, Ford and SVT spent two years designing and building the Raptor, and in all that time they just slapped some shiny shocks, reprogrammed the ECU and found just the right shade of red for the steering wheel ring. Gotcha. It's time for me to move along.
If I'm so misinformed, please educate me.
Here is the homework...
Cabs and bed structures are the same, front inner body structures are the same, frames are the same, brakes are the same, etc...
What then makes a Raptor 'unique'?
Unique interior - just like every other option package - we do get the SVT specific gauge panel and aux lighting panel.
Unique exterior bodywork - different bedsides but the same bed structure as every other 5.5ft bed. Unique composite front fenders, hood and FORD grill.
Unique rear axle assembly - actually it's the same 9.75 rear that comes in all F150's but it's 3 inches wider per side and has longer axles as well. There was a change in 2012 that made the diff more Raptor specific with the larger pinion bearing, etc...
Unique (garbage) rear leaf spring pack
Unique Fox shocks
Unique f350 lower shock mounts on the axles
Longer rear brake lines
Unique upper and lower control arms (wider)
Unique and somewhat adjustable front coilovers
Longer front brake lines
Longer front axles
Unique front bumper and skid plate package
Unique ABS controller that allows for hill descent control as well as being part of the high speed stability package when ORM is engaged.
When ORM is engaged the airbags are desensitized so they won't deploy on a hard hit, throttle sensitivity is reduced to prevent 'bucking' on uneven terrain and there are pitch and yaw sensors that when coupled with the ABS sensors these work together as an anti-rollover safeguard. Also while in ORM you can lock the rear and the speed limiter is raised to 100mph (locked) (with the aid of the Raptor specific TCCM).
There was a short period where the electronic locking rear was only available on Raptors - I believe you can get the locking rear with other packages now.
So to recap - the Raptor is an F150, made alongside non Raptor F150s in an F150 assembly plant. The Raptor specific electronics (different control modules) are installed as are the suspension parts and body panels.
The ONLY truly unique thing about Raptors is the ability to get a SCAB with a 5.5" bed. Aside from that EVERYTHING on a Raptor can be bolted on to a non Raptor.
What then makes a Raptor 'unique'?
Unique interior - just like every other option package - we do get the SVT specific gauge panel and aux lighting panel.
Unique exterior bodywork - different bedsides but the same bed structure as every other 5.5ft bed. Unique composite front fenders, hood and FORD grill.
Unique rear axle assembly - actually it's the same 9.75 rear that comes in all F150's but it's 3 inches wider per side and has longer axles as well. There was a change in 2012 that made the diff more Raptor specific with the larger pinion bearing, etc...
Unique (garbage) rear leaf spring pack
Unique Fox shocks
Unique f350 lower shock mounts on the axles
Longer rear brake lines
Unique upper and lower control arms (wider)
Unique and somewhat adjustable front coilovers
Longer front brake lines
Longer front axles
Unique front bumper and skid plate package
Unique ABS controller that allows for hill descent control as well as being part of the high speed stability package when ORM is engaged.
When ORM is engaged the airbags are desensitized so they won't deploy on a hard hit, throttle sensitivity is reduced to prevent 'bucking' on uneven terrain and there are pitch and yaw sensors that when coupled with the ABS sensors these work together as an anti-rollover safeguard. Also while in ORM you can lock the rear and the speed limiter is raised to 100mph (locked) (with the aid of the Raptor specific TCCM).
There was a short period where the electronic locking rear was only available on Raptors - I believe you can get the locking rear with other packages now.
So to recap - the Raptor is an F150, made alongside non Raptor F150s in an F150 assembly plant. The Raptor specific electronics (different control modules) are installed as are the suspension parts and body panels.
The ONLY truly unique thing about Raptors is the ability to get a SCAB with a 5.5" bed. Aside from that EVERYTHING on a Raptor can be bolted on to a non Raptor.
Just because you don't like my opinion, that doesn't make me wrong. Check the homework section, I think you'll find I captured the differences and similarities just fine.
Last edited by WarSurfer; 08-23-2014 at 12:08 PM.
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08-23-2014, 02:21 PM
#66
The engine is a stock Eco - the same one that comes in the F150. Look up 'Eco torture test Baja' on YouTube.
They ran them with upgraded charge tubing, performance exhaust, huge FMIC, a tune and race gas. They were putting out well over 500hp.
One of the guys on the Raptor forum crewed for the silver RCSB.
Can you get one in a Raptor, not yet. The speculation is that they will offer the Eco in the Raptor along with the reduction in weight in 2016.
They ran them with upgraded charge tubing, performance exhaust, huge FMIC, a tune and race gas. They were putting out well over 500hp.
One of the guys on the Raptor forum crewed for the silver RCSB.
Can you get one in a Raptor, not yet. The speculation is that they will offer the Eco in the Raptor along with the reduction in weight in 2016.
08-23-2014, 02:27 PM
#67
The DNF was due to to broken suspension, it had nothing to do with the engine.
The point of the Raptor is off road prowess not drag racing. The 5.4 that came in the first Raptors had less HP/TQ than the Eco - that in itself invalidates your argument.
What makes a Raptor is it's suspension not its engine. Yes, folks want the top dog engine if they are going to fork out 60k for a truck but like I posted earlier - if the truck comes with the highest hp/tq engine offered, who cares if it is a 6 or an 8.
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2010/11...baja-1000.html
The point of the Raptor is off road prowess not drag racing. The 5.4 that came in the first Raptors had less HP/TQ than the Eco - that in itself invalidates your argument.
What makes a Raptor is it's suspension not its engine. Yes, folks want the top dog engine if they are going to fork out 60k for a truck but like I posted earlier - if the truck comes with the highest hp/tq engine offered, who cares if it is a 6 or an 8.
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2010/11...baja-1000.html
It has nothing to do with drag racing. My opinion...as I do own an ecoboost and I love it for the street value, if I bought a Raptor, I would want a good sized engine in there...6.2 - 7.4 litre.
08-23-2014, 02:47 PM
#69
Senior Member
A Raptor isn't some magical creation - it's a collection of parts, MOST of which are the same parts that are on a regular F150.
Think of it like this - a Boss 302 LS is unique in that the unibody seams are welded. Only the Boss 302 LS and Boss 302S (is there an R?) are welded like that so those cars have something unique. They aren't like any other Mustang.
There isn't anything on a Raptor that couldn't be put on a non-Raptor - except for the scab frame with the 5.5' bed. All other parts are interchangeable. Granted, a regular f150 with a bunch of raptor parts isn't a Raptor but that's not the point I was trying to make.
Think of it like this - a Boss 302 LS is unique in that the unibody seams are welded. Only the Boss 302 LS and Boss 302S (is there an R?) are welded like that so those cars have something unique. They aren't like any other Mustang.
There isn't anything on a Raptor that couldn't be put on a non-Raptor - except for the scab frame with the 5.5' bed. All other parts are interchangeable. Granted, a regular f150 with a bunch of raptor parts isn't a Raptor but that's not the point I was trying to make.
Last edited by WarSurfer; 08-23-2014 at 03:27 PM.
08-23-2014, 02:50 PM
#70
Senior Member
The thread title is 2016 Raptor. I assumed we were talking about the 2nd gen Raptor and speculating on possible powerplants.
Last edited by WarSurfer; 08-23-2014 at 03:48 PM.