2015 headlights not bright enough at night!
12-02-2015, 03:11 PM
#21
I couldn't see 10 feet in front of me when it rained. I'm 30 with better than 20/20 vision, the lights might be just fine when there is nobody on the road and no street lamps anywhere. But in real life for people who live near other people they were worthless to me, I had two different people driving at night ask me how to turn the lights on even though they already were on.
12-02-2015, 03:30 PM
#22
I couldn't see 10 feet in front of me when it rained. I'm 30 with better than 20/20 vision, the lights might be just fine when there is nobody on the road and no street lamps anywhere. But in real life for people who live near other people they were worthless to me, I had two different people driving at night ask me how to turn the lights on even though they already were on.
12-02-2015, 03:58 PM
#23
12-02-2015, 04:05 PM
#24
Senior Member
Not sure you guys know what 20/20 vision means. It has nothing to do with headlights or illumination. It simply means that you can see the same detail/letters at 20-feet that most other people can at 20-feet. The test doesn't do anything for your macular pigment, which affects your light sensitivity.
When it rains, most lights are terrible. Yellow halogen light will illuminate better than HID or LED - not only does blue light scatter more, but it works your macular pigment overtime - this filters out harmful bluer light to protect your eye's photo receptors. Macular degeneration can come with age, diet, and continued exposure to harmful UV and blue light. White LEDs, being that they are a blue LED coated with a phosphor, used in many products today may be a contributor and it is being studied, but I don't know of a legit study on this off the top of my head.
I'd guess that the higher seating position would have the biggest perceived difference over other halogen vehicles. 35W HID bulbs do generate about twice the total light or a 55W bulb, but with a much lower CRI and higher color temperature. I'd need to see 2015 wall beamshots to get an idea of where Ford designed the light to be thrown.
When it rains, most lights are terrible. Yellow halogen light will illuminate better than HID or LED - not only does blue light scatter more, but it works your macular pigment overtime - this filters out harmful bluer light to protect your eye's photo receptors. Macular degeneration can come with age, diet, and continued exposure to harmful UV and blue light. White LEDs, being that they are a blue LED coated with a phosphor, used in many products today may be a contributor and it is being studied, but I don't know of a legit study on this off the top of my head.
I'd guess that the higher seating position would have the biggest perceived difference over other halogen vehicles. 35W HID bulbs do generate about twice the total light or a 55W bulb, but with a much lower CRI and higher color temperature. I'd need to see 2015 wall beamshots to get an idea of where Ford designed the light to be thrown.
Last edited by Masejoer; 12-02-2015 at 04:11 PM.
12-02-2015, 04:12 PM
#25
I am sure everything you say would check out and I believe you. But here's my thing, I couldn't see well and now I can, in any situation. So all those reasons don't really matter to me, they gave me something I didn't feel comfortable driving at night and I made it so I do.
As far as aiming, my HIDs are aimed how all lights are supposed to be and work great, why would Ford aim them somewhere random? I think the lights just stink. People have seen big improvement with just updated halogen bulbs
As far as aiming, my HIDs are aimed how all lights are supposed to be and work great, why would Ford aim them somewhere random? I think the lights just stink. People have seen big improvement with just updated halogen bulbs
Last edited by Lockelamora; 12-02-2015 at 04:15 PM.
12-02-2015, 04:20 PM
#26
Senior Member
I am sure everything you say would check out and I believe you. But here's my thing, I couldn't see well and now I can, in any situation. So all those reasons don't really matter to me, they gave me something I didn't feel comfortable driving at night and I made it so I do.
Which parts of the scene have improved for you? With everything, there are ALWAYS tradeoffs. How do you feel, in similar circumstances (dry vs dry or rain vs rain), did you see a change in throw, width, foreground lighting, reflective-sign illumination, and color contrast, with whatever product you installed? A product name and brief description of what your perceived differences are would be beneficial to everyone. Too many people claim product A is SO MUCH BETTER than Product B because it's brighter, but without any (anecdotal) quantifiers. Then others spend money on the same product which they personally believe underperforms after trying it first-hand...
12-02-2015, 04:42 PM
#27
Masejoer, I completely understand, a lot of people won't admit to making a bad buy either. I got a full kit that has projectors so I have a focused light and am not blinding everyone.
Here is the kit I bought: https://www.theretrofitsource.com/co...3-kit-d2s.html It's the Morimoto Mini DS2 and I am using a 35w with Phillips Extreme vision bulb (4800k) Obviously have some other pieces but those are the ones that do the light.
As far as comparing them, the only thing that stinks is I paid another $900 or so to get them and have someone install them. I recently did two trips from NC to MA and back so really got to check them out for long periods of time, in differently populated areas. I can very clearly see 3-4 lanes of traffic on the highway, with the max spread probably around 6 lanes or so. During traffic in city areas I can now tell the lights are on when I couldn't before when in pretty well lighted areas, and in rain while it's not perfect I can tell there is a significant improvement, meaning I can see the lanes clearly where before I couldn't see any road lines and felt like I was going to go out of my lane and hit someone constantly. The road signs are now so reflective I almost have to put on sunglasses, that actually could be a con because its somewhat distracting.
Pretty much every single thing is way better, I can see at least twice as wide and I'd say almost 3 times farther if not more. If you have any specific questions based on this I'd be happy to answer them.
Here is the kit I bought: https://www.theretrofitsource.com/co...3-kit-d2s.html It's the Morimoto Mini DS2 and I am using a 35w with Phillips Extreme vision bulb (4800k) Obviously have some other pieces but those are the ones that do the light.
As far as comparing them, the only thing that stinks is I paid another $900 or so to get them and have someone install them. I recently did two trips from NC to MA and back so really got to check them out for long periods of time, in differently populated areas. I can very clearly see 3-4 lanes of traffic on the highway, with the max spread probably around 6 lanes or so. During traffic in city areas I can now tell the lights are on when I couldn't before when in pretty well lighted areas, and in rain while it's not perfect I can tell there is a significant improvement, meaning I can see the lanes clearly where before I couldn't see any road lines and felt like I was going to go out of my lane and hit someone constantly. The road signs are now so reflective I almost have to put on sunglasses, that actually could be a con because its somewhat distracting.
Pretty much every single thing is way better, I can see at least twice as wide and I'd say almost 3 times farther if not more. If you have any specific questions based on this I'd be happy to answer them.
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12-02-2015, 05:05 PM
#28
Senior Member
A lot of what you are seeing may be explained by the eye's sensitivity to blue light - white or silver surfaces will stand out more since the human eye is most sensitive to bluish light. This is also part of the reason higher-Kelvin LEDs are rated at a higher luminous rating (lumens are measured from human vision and sensitivities) - we pick up blues as "brighter"/harsher, and a high-Kelvin white LED has less of a phosphor coating.
The problem comes when you look at colors that aren't blue - reds and greens will appear faded and contrast suffers greatly. On gray roads filled with gray-shade colors chrome, and reflectors, these hues don't matter too much.
I'm assuming you'll feel the same as above, after reading it. It makes sense - your improved vision is coming from white/gray/silver colored items and car reflectors, often below the trunk line, glisten when the cutoff of the projector makes them twinkle.
12-02-2015, 05:15 PM
#30
Senior Member
