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Driver kept to the fast lane with the F150 and the Silva was down to 45 mph much than would shift and pick up speed and shift back up, down, up never holding anywhere near the speed limit mean while the F150 passed most cars on the mountain hauling the mail. An the Bow Tie was below the torque RPM much cause it could not hold it. Also believe most will head to the mountains with their tows often after going that direction. Also obvious the turbo diesel would be best in these circumstances for most and at least the 2500 lb truck also a must for most when jerking 10,000 around a lot.
Last edited by papa tiger; 07-22-2014 at 12:05 PM.
Driver kept to the fast lane with the F150 and the Silva was down to 45 mph much than would shift and pick up speed and shift back up, down, up never holding anywhere near the speed limit mean while the F150 passed most cars on the mountain hauling the mail. An the Bow Tie was below the torque RPM much cause it could not hold it. Also believe most will head to the mountains with their tows often after going that direction. Also obvious the turbo diesel would be best in these circumstances for most and at least the 2500 lb truck also a must for most when jerking 10,000 around a lot.
Believe what you want I use engineering numbers and the Echoboost is the winner compared to the GM 5.3l not the 6.2l hope Ford steps up with something can compete with the GM 6.2l
So the 2.7 is rated at 8500lbs towing, 325HP, 375 ftlbs. Wow. Now I am getting excited to see the numbers on the 3.5 Eco and the 5.0!
And to whoever said Ford HAS to come up with a premium engine offering to compete with the 6.2 chevy.....WHY? The 3.5 in a lighter truck will out perform the 6.2 under load until they put a proper tranny behind it and the bottom line is the 6.2 is only going to be less than 5% of Chevy ? GM sales. Don't need to compete with that. Its that kind of thinking that drove GM to bankruptcy and is not letting them thrive now. I've said before, the 6.2 is a wonderful engine but the engineer who mapped that tranny should be shot!
Didn't see this picture posted yet, but it is pretty cool. It may even be old, if so I apologize, just saw it on the Ford Trucks twitter.
For comparison, our 2014 Explorer is 4500lbs with significantly less power, even in the 3.5L Eco of the Sport. Sounds like this truck will be pretty quick.
The change IS 700lbs lighter. That should make a big difference.
I thought I saw something about the 15 5.0 being the same numbers, but it was from the beginning of the year and not from Ford. I'm betting the 5.0 will be the exact same engine with almost the exact same numbers.
By the way, the 700 lbs difference will be in the 4 door 6.5 bed. Just in case anybody is thinking they will be saving 700 lbs on a RCSB. Lol. That should make the payload for the heavier trucks a little closer to the XL fleet vehicles.
So the 2.7 is rated at 8500lbs towing, 325HP, 375 ftlbs. Wow. Now I am getting excited to see the numbers on the 3.5 Eco and the 5.0!
And to whoever said Ford HAS to come up with a premium engine offering to compete with the 6.2 chevy.....WHY? The 3.5 in a lighter truck will out perform the 6.2 under load until they put a proper tranny behind it and the bottom line is the 6.2 is only going to be less than 5% of Chevy ? GM sales. Don't need to compete with that. Its that kind of thinking that drove GM to bankruptcy and is not letting them thrive now. I've said before, the 6.2 is a wonderful engine but the engineer who mapped that tranny should be shot!
OK I will follow actual documents put out by Ford and GM and everyone else can follow TFL at least I will have the facts.
Ok let's go over this again as stated before Ford said there new truck will be up to 700lbs lighter than the last. The 2014 GM is currently 400lbs lighter than the Ford with a loss of 300lbs. The current J2807 standard places the GM 6.2l with a 3.42 at 11,900 lbs now what transmission mapping issue are you speaking of? is this documented? Are you speaking of the GM 8 speeds that are now standard with the 6.2l? Please don't tell me that a TFL test is what your basing it on they are not engineers they did not do the proper testing I will not buy a truck that has less documented power and assume it's more powerful because some clowns drove one up a hill with no data to prove what gears they were in. The statement I am making is yes Ford needs to have a F150 that competes with the GM or I won't buy it. I hope Ford does not take a back seat to this and tell us what we have to have and not offer the option of a larger motor.Oh and I'm glad you did your research as to why GM went bankrupt. So this is not coming from TFL but from Wall Street they went bankrupt because they are the largest automaker in the world and banks weren't lending money to people to purchase them Ford acknowledged that they themselves were one month away from the same fait. Prior to this the GM twins constantly out sold Ford, this fact can be found through RL poke. I am a Ford man my farther worked for them for many years and supplied us our needs that's why I stand by Ford. I will not buy another until they have a competitive motor.
" they went bankrupt because they are the largest automaker in the world and banks weren't lending money to people to purchase them" Really? So that only put 2 car companies in bankruptcy? That makes sense. Nice to see you are also a Wall Street expert. I missed Ford acknowledging they were "one month away" from bankruptcy. Maybe you could provide a link? The reason Ford survived (just so you know) is they were smart enough (when most of us thought they were crazy) to mortage the farm (including rights to the Blue Oval) years prior to secure loans for their restructure. That you can just google. GM is not the financial giant they once were. The 6.2, as good as it is, is NOT GM's savior. A truck engine found in 5% of your sales volume doesn't make you successful. You should go buy one to help ensure GM's survival.
So don't buy an Eco. You are obviously not the target customer (large volume pickup market) Ford is looking for.
Who said anything about "more powerful" anyways? Just cause somebody says a motor makes X horsepower doesn't make it the best puller or performer. Just remember please, I am not knocking the 6.2. I believe my words were "wonderful engine". When it does come in 2015 with their new 8 speed it should perform better both empty and towing. The fact is, the Eco, at nearly half the displacement, can run with it in a 3 year old configuration and the 2015 model with considerably less weight ( in crew cab configuration ) will continue to run with it. The overall performance difference is pretty small any way you look at it so being the admitted Ford fan I am, I'll stick with my measley 365 HP, 420 lbft (at 2500 RPM) V6. Thanks.
The change IS 700lbs lighter. That should make a big difference.
justjimmy, was that just recently posted? I wasn't really expecting any significant increase in either one but with the slight bump given in Expedition trim I at least expected that small change in the Eco.
07-22-2014, 11:56 AM
