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You can get by with a 351 too but a trailer like that would be too hard on a half ton.
Not legally. Remember, the OP wants to pull a travel trailer. That probably means highway travel with lots of cops and lots of liability.
The max 5.8l towing is 8k lbs with 4.10 and reg cab auto. His dry weight is 8200lbs of trailer. Add another 400lbs of water if he wanted to travel with his fresh water tank filled and a minimum of 200-400lbs of Clothing, Dishes, personal effects, Etc, he'll be closer to 9k lbs. The average travel trailer user winds up with a 500lbs of payload in the trailer with their tanks empty.
Not legally. Remember, the OP wants to pull a travel trailer. That probably means highway travel with lots of cops and lots of liability.
The max 5.8l towing is 8k lbs with 4.10 and reg cab auto. His dry weight is 8200lbs of trailer. Add another 400lbs of water if he wanted to travel with his fresh water tank filled and a minimum of 200-400lbs of Clothing, Dishes, personal effects, Etc, he'll be closer to 9k lbs. The average travel trailer user winds up with a 500lbs of payload in the trailer with their tanks empty.
Do these max's apply to just a half ton? All legalities aside, if we all looked at the manual and the inside of the door, we would all be running 235 75 15's on our trucks too.
Once again, I understand the legal side and 9k is definitely too much for a half ton, just stating the maximum towing crap gets kind of ridiculous sometimes.
Stating max capacities does not get ridiculous. Think about my last trip to Arkansas with a max of 6700 and pulling around 5k with empty tanks....400ft. elevation starting , 45mph speed limit, we climbed to 1100 feet in 1.1 miles at about 15mph by the time we made it to the top.
Every vehicle has a max. The number's that I quoted are from the 1995 tow guide put out by Ford. Even the F350 DWR maxed out at 10k.
Why do I talk legality? I work EMS full time 84 hours a week. I work these truck/trailer wrecks. It's usually someone else besides the driver of the overloaded pickup that gets hurt when his trailer flips or breaks loose and crosses paths with a compact car. Troopers walk up, get a vin, enter it into the weights and standards computer system and either issue a ticket to the pick up driver or puts him in handcuffs for negligent injury. I work in an area where lots of hay gets hauled across state lines and we work lots of wrecks. The results are that the police are more vigilant of overloaded pick up trucks. Slow moving trucks going up grades...red flag...pulled over...ticket and tow. Squatted rear....red flag, pulled over....ticket and tow. Broke down....trooper pulls up, your overloaded, ticket and tow plus impound.
I try to be the good guy and get folks to look at the real world and liability. You might get away with it on surface streets some of the time. Traveling interstate highways across state lines, your chances multiply. Don't give false information because of what our trucks are capable of. Give the guy real information about what chances he's taking while doing it. Pulling a standard trailer is nothing compared to pulling a box behind you. Wind load is multiplied. Drag is multiplied. Aero effects are multiplied. Get passed by an 18 wheeler and your travel trailer wants to suck into the side of the big rig. You have to tow a big *** box or travel trailer to be able to respect the numbers.
I pull a 24 foot mallard with my 94 f150 ext cab. 5.0 auto. It's all stock except for free flowing exhaust, f250 front springs, rear overloads. The hitch weight distributing bars make a huge difference. As for pulling power this stock 240,000 mile 5.0 is a dog on hills. I may swap in a 351 soon. I have 3:55 rear gears open diff, I may swap to 4:10 LSD. I avoid going over the pass now.
Stating max capacities does not get ridiculous. Think about my last trip to Arkansas with a max of 6700 and pulling around 5k with empty tanks....400ft. elevation starting , 45mph speed limit, we climbed to 1100 feet in 1.1 miles at about 15mph by the time we made it to the top.
Every vehicle has a max. The number's that I quoted are from the 1995 tow guide put out by Ford. Even the F350 DWR maxed out at 10k.
Why do I talk legality? I work EMS full time 84 hours a week. I work these truck/trailer wrecks. It's usually someone else besides the driver of the overloaded pickup that gets hurt when his trailer flips or breaks loose and crosses paths with a compact car. Troopers walk up, get a vin, enter it into the weights and standards computer system and either issue a ticket to the pick up driver or puts him in handcuffs for negligent injury. I work in an area where lots of hay gets hauled across state lines and we work lots of wrecks. The results are that the police are more vigilant of overloaded pick up trucks. Slow moving trucks going up grades...red flag...pulled over...ticket and tow. Squatted rear....red flag, pulled over....ticket and tow. Broke down....trooper pulls up, your overloaded, ticket and tow plus impound.
I try to be the good guy and get folks to look at the real world and liability. You might get away with it on surface streets some of the time. Traveling interstate highways across state lines, your chances multiply. Don't give false information because of what our trucks are capable of. Give the guy real information about what chances he's taking while doing it.
I didn't give him false information. I said it was too much for a half ton so get a diesel.
Thanks for looking out for peoples safety and being an EMS. I am from a dairy farm and we hauled a ton of alfalfa across state lines and were overloaded by the charts you have there every single time. Probably close to double those weights. Obviously we weren't using a half ton pickup, but we weren't using a semi either nor did we have the budget for a semi. Not a clue how we never got in trouble, never broke down I suppose.
Nice truck. That trailer probably weighs in at around 4500. Your truck is rated at 6600lbs. Like my Chevy, hills suck and yes, the WDH makes life allot more enjoyable. That Mallard is almost identical to my Keystone. She don't look heavy, but she is. We have found that we do allot better on the back roads. Cruising down the interstate trying to keep up with traffic, to an extent, doesn't give the truck any breathing room. Taking the backroads where we're on and off the gas seems to make the truck allot happier and able to take a breath every once in a while.
I didn't give him false information. I said it was too much for a half ton so get a diesel.
Thanks for looking out for peoples safety and being an EMS. I am from a dairy farm and we hauled a ton of alfalfa across state lines and were overloaded by the charts you have there every single time. Obviously we weren't using a half ton pickup, but we weren't using a semi either nor did we have the budget for a semi. Not a clue how we never got in trouble, never broke down I suppose.
No you didn't give him false info. Allot of people do though. My '95 F150 with the 300 will pull a house! For a few feet going down hill,,,,,,,,,Lol.
11-24-2014, 10:49 AM
jk lol