In the event of...
#12
2 reply questions for you:
1. What is the realistic potential for this situation to exist? I mean really. What would have to happen for this to be an issue?
2. If this extremely unlikely event did take place, would the truck be able to run very long without fuel? If this sort of attack did happen, it would also affect the pump systems and supply lines of fuel, making getting the fuel to run the points and carb motors as worthless as the electronic driven motors. Unless you have a store of fuel supply large enough to run for any amount of time, then I think that it is a mute point to be able to run the electrics of a motor with an empty tank.
The difference would be for the diesel trucks. There are many locations where diesel is stored in large quantities at homes for farm use. Tractors and trucks that are old enough to be pre-electrics would still run. Beyond that, it would be a schwinn world.
#13
Senior Member
We could pump out the in ground fuel tanks with a hand pump, and drain gas from all the abandoned cars that didn't t survive the pulse.
But mechanical diesel would be the way to go, especially with furnace oil etc being able to be stored longer than gasoline. Lets hope we never find out.
I m old enough to remember when we did duck and cover drills in school, cause the Russians might drop the bomb.
But mechanical diesel would be the way to go, especially with furnace oil etc being able to be stored longer than gasoline. Lets hope we never find out.
I m old enough to remember when we did duck and cover drills in school, cause the Russians might drop the bomb.
#14
Senior Member
EMP fields will usually destroy a computer or electrical system.in one of 2 ways. The field itself can erase any thing stored magneticly like tapes, floppy, hard disk, etc. The pre 96 ecu is solid state. It can't be reprogrammed without adding a new chip. So there is no magnetic media to erase. I'm not certain about the obd2 system. It uses eproms and I'm not sure they can withstand EMP. The second risk is electro static discharge created by the magnetic field. This destroys the fine traces in micro circuits. In the early days of computers bad chips were common because they were handled and packaged without esd protection. However a vehicle is so well grounded ( properly connected and maintained ) that static discharge travels through it directly to earth ground. A car can take a hit from lightning ( natural esd ) and not suffer at all. You can weld your frame without pulling your ignition system. So in theory pre 96 trucks anyway should be fine. Hmm after thought...alternator and battery may be succeptible to EMP. Magnetic fields drain batteries. Alternators own field would fail in a stronger field. But because they use electro magnets and not permanence magnets it should be fine after the pulse.
#15
Executive Member
Originally Posted by Warlockk
EMP fields will usually destroy a computer or electrical system.in one of 2 ways. The field itself can erase any thing stored magneticly like tapes, floppy, hard disk, etc. The pre 96 ecu is solid state. It can't be reprogrammed without adding a new chip. So there is no magnetic media to erase. I'm not certain about the obd2 system. It uses eproms and I'm not sure they can withstand EMP. The second risk is electro static discharge created by the magnetic field. This destroys the fine traces in micro circuits. In the early days of computers bad chips were common because they were handled and packaged without esd protection. However a vehicle is so well grounded ( properly connected and maintained ) that static discharge travels through it directly to earth ground. A car can take a hit from lightning ( natural esd ) and not suffer at all. You can weld your frame without pulling your ignition system. So in theory pre 96 trucks anyway should be fine. Hmm after thought...alternator and battery may be succeptible to EMP. Magnetic fields drain batteries. Alternators own field would fail in a stronger field. But because they use electro magnets and not permanence magnets it should be fine after the pulse.
#16
Senior Member
Thread Starter
2 reply questions for you:
1. What is the realistic potential for this situation to exist? I mean really. What would have to happen for this to be an issue?
2. If this extremely unlikely event did take place, would the truck be able to run very long without fuel? If this sort of attack did happen, it would also affect the pump systems and supply lines of fuel, making getting the fuel to run the points and carb motors as worthless as the electronic driven motors. Unless you have a store of fuel supply large enough to run for any amount of time, then I think that it is a mute point to be able to run the electrics of a motor with an empty tank.
The difference would be for the diesel trucks. There are many locations where diesel is stored in large quantities at homes for farm use. Tractors and trucks that are old enough to be pre-electrics would still run. Beyond that, it would be a schwinn world.
1. What is the realistic potential for this situation to exist? I mean really. What would have to happen for this to be an issue?
2. If this extremely unlikely event did take place, would the truck be able to run very long without fuel? If this sort of attack did happen, it would also affect the pump systems and supply lines of fuel, making getting the fuel to run the points and carb motors as worthless as the electronic driven motors. Unless you have a store of fuel supply large enough to run for any amount of time, then I think that it is a mute point to be able to run the electrics of a motor with an empty tank.
The difference would be for the diesel trucks. There are many locations where diesel is stored in large quantities at homes for farm use. Tractors and trucks that are old enough to be pre-electrics would still run. Beyond that, it would be a schwinn world.
2. I dont really have an answer for that except.....store fuel and additional additives to keep the fuel fresh? or, like you said....make sure you have a bicycle.
To the question about the point of having the parts if they would get destroyed during an EMP attack. If you have a shelter that is designed for this sort of thing.....keep the extra parts stored in there, then they will be good
To Warlokk: Nice!
#17
It's a Canadian thing eh!
In any case of this happening, I'm counting more on my 1964 and 1979 Honda CT 90's motorcycles to still be running. Plus I don't have to fill em for almost a month of driving