408w or 460
#11
Senior Member
I also was thinking Aluminum heads, plus up in Mn, 460's are far more available than a 429. I was thinking of rebuilding the 460, maybe bore it i think .060 which would be 466 CID???
For 500hp would I need a forged crank and rods? or can the cast ones hold up to that much?
For 500hp would I need a forged crank and rods? or can the cast ones hold up to that much?
.060 overbore on a 460 is a frightening 472
#12
Hi-Rev Motorsports
the 351w is a strong block. much stronger than the 302.
There is no substitute for inches but as qdeezie says figure out what your budget is going to be and see how you can fill it with either engine...
the 302/351w have a Small Bolt pattern trans while the 460 has a bigger bolt patter so transmissions will not interchange...
the 429 is just a short stroke 460... the 429 was made and they added more stroke to make a 460....
Boss heads will NOT work on a regular production wedge motor... the Boss 429 had thicker blocks and the heads had O-Rings NOT gaskets.
if it were me and I could source the parts I'd go a 460 and then stroke it to 540 inches....but thats just me
There is no substitute for inches but as qdeezie says figure out what your budget is going to be and see how you can fill it with either engine...
the 302/351w have a Small Bolt pattern trans while the 460 has a bigger bolt patter so transmissions will not interchange...
the 429 is just a short stroke 460... the 429 was made and they added more stroke to make a 460....
Boss heads will NOT work on a regular production wedge motor... the Boss 429 had thicker blocks and the heads had O-Rings NOT gaskets.
if it were me and I could source the parts I'd go a 460 and then stroke it to 540 inches....but thats just me
#13
Senior Member
the 351w is a strong block. much stronger than the 302.
There is no substitute for inches but as qdeezie says figure out what your budget is going to be and see how you can fill it with either engine...
the 302/351w have a Small Bolt pattern trans while the 460 has a bigger bolt patter so transmissions will not interchange...
the 429 is just a short stroke 460... the 429 was made and they added more stroke to make a 460....
Boss heads will NOT work on a regular production wedge motor... the Boss 429 had thicker blocks and the heads had O-Rings NOT gaskets.
if it were me and I could source the parts I'd go a 460 and then stroke it to 540 inches....but thats just me
There is no substitute for inches but as qdeezie says figure out what your budget is going to be and see how you can fill it with either engine...
the 302/351w have a Small Bolt pattern trans while the 460 has a bigger bolt patter so transmissions will not interchange...
the 429 is just a short stroke 460... the 429 was made and they added more stroke to make a 460....
Boss heads will NOT work on a regular production wedge motor... the Boss 429 had thicker blocks and the heads had O-Rings NOT gaskets.
if it were me and I could source the parts I'd go a 460 and then stroke it to 540 inches....but thats just me
#14
Senior Member
The best info comes from a guy with dr_bowtie as his screem name...oh the irony. Yes more cubes the better and they are easily obtained with a 460. I ran a 508 in my toy truck for 4 years and only changed the oil and plugs. 555 HP 580 TQ and with the stock 460 block and off set ground stock passenger car crank and a 6.700" I beam rods, with the factory 1978 smogger D3VE-A2A heads. Every time out it would see 68-7200 RPM's. The stock crank and rods are good to 600 HP if RPM's are max to 58-6000 as a rule (I have seen 800 HP on the factory crank) You can easily obtain your HP goal with factory iron heads. 500 with the D3's, 650 with Doves(D0VE-C, C8VE, C9VE, all the same heads) and 750 with CJ's D00E-R's. and as much as 900 with CJ's but that takes some work. A simple/mild 9.5 to 1 comp iron head 540 BBf can run pump gas and have very a friendly streetable 600 HP well exceeding your goals. If you must have aluminum look at the Kaase P-51,
#15
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Alright guys, Thanks alot for the info, I have decided to go with the 460. Now since that is out of the way how do I build it up to 500+ hp? I want it to be fast, but be reliable too without much stress on the motor. I want a nice sized cam in it to give it the lopey/rough idle. I heard that the stock heads really cut down on the flow. But I want tunnel ram intake on it, that is basically the only part I am for sure getting so far. Can anyone else throw up a good list of parts I need? I know basic engine work but I never beefed one up before, so I don't know which parts work best. Thanks!
#16
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Hey guys have a chance to buy a 460 nearby for 375. It runs good and has a 4 bbl carb on it. it has a d1ve block and d3ve heads. Is this what i should be looking for? Is this block and heads good for my build??
#18
Senior Member
This would be the cheapest way to your goal. http://www.460ford.com/forum/showthread.php?t=161352
With these bolted on. http://www.460ford.com/forum/showthread.php?t=162189
And some info for you. http://www.460ford.com/forum/showthread.php?t=119213 Register and start reading.....it's good for you
Or there is always this option. http://www.carsbycarl.com/Short_Blocks.html
My personal favorite. http://www.rmcompetition.com/Ford_.html
With these bolted on. http://www.460ford.com/forum/showthread.php?t=162189
And some info for you. http://www.460ford.com/forum/showthread.php?t=119213 Register and start reading.....it's good for you
Or there is always this option. http://www.carsbycarl.com/Short_Blocks.html
My personal favorite. http://www.rmcompetition.com/Ford_.html
Last edited by IDIeselman; 11-30-2012 at 08:56 AM.
#19
Senior Member
Thread Starter
I am not sure, I emailed him and has not responded yet. It says it was on a C6 tranny. I have a manual in the truck currently, so i know i would need a different bellhousing, but is there much prepping to do to move a 460 from auto to manual? Is it pretty easy to do?
#20
Senior Member
Thread Starter
The guy who has it says it is between a 71-79 according to the casting numbers on the block. The casting numbers on the intake say its a 76. For 375 is this a good motor to get? Are these blocks stronger than the ones from the 80's?