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Old 09-14-2016, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 4x4TruckLEDS.com
This goes back to that "is it a blue or grey dress" I suppose. It looks white to me. Maybe there is a hint of blue you pick up with your eyes, as everybody is different. I do photography so I tend to pickup all kinds of things in photos, but don't really see the blue, at least in "my mind" Maybe i see a slight amount in the fogs at least... but not enough that i'd say "they have a blue look to them"

Rock that was a big question I got earlier this year when the lights came on the market... the lights actually do get pretty hot, that's why there is a fan in there. I don't know if it's as hot as the halogen... I don't believe so but I know in testing I have to wait for the bulbs to cool down before putting them in the packaging. So I would not worry about them "melting snow" in fact halogens are not designed by nature to be hot to "melt snow" it's just something that happens from burning that filament. I live in NY and didn't have issues this winter with snow accumulations... the best folks to ask would be our canadian friends who use them, how did they do this winter?
Thanks. I understand they weren't designed to be a certain temp to melt snow, it just is an inherent design. When people started putting leds in over the last several years it was a problem that those living further north noticed. Nobody had really thought about it and I was curious if the problem had been overcome either directly or inadvertently. The LEDs, I would think, aren't getting that hot and don't need the fan. The driver for them, most likely, I would think is what is heating up and needing the fan. Either way, if they generate that much heat then they should be okay.
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Originally Posted by elricfate
I'll let you know once mine go through an Ohio winter, but the main thing about that type of problem that doesn't concern me is that once you've cleaned off your headlights, unless you're driving into a terrible super wet snow storm at 10mph, the build-up shouldn't be bad enough to block your lights... I would think.

But it's true, far less heat is emanating from the LEDs, except out the rear where the heat dissipating pipe and fans are located.

It's just going to be based on anecdotal evidence at this point, I think.
Thanks. Being retired military, I have driven in many different climates. It wasn't always a problem, but I have had lights that would ice up even with traditional lamps, while driving. Like you said, certain conditions certainly add to that possibility. While I don't have any first hand knowledge with LED headlights, I have several friends as well as heard many cases online of people with LED headlights having the issue. Again, something that has been such a given and nobody every thought about (headlights needing their heat generation to keep the lenses clear) was learned about mostly through their real world experience. These newer LEDs, I am sure, are newer generations and seems like they actually put out some heat.

You, seem to be saying however, the bulb doesn't get hot, but it is the back part (driver/electronics). Is this true, and if so then I am very curious how they will work in your climate.
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You, seem to be saying however, the bulb doesn't get hot, but it is the back part (driver/electronics). Is this true, and if so then I am very curious how they will work in your climate.
Well, yes and no, keep in mind how LEDs work and how they output heat based on the diode being powered. Also consider that the harder you push an LED, the hotter it gets, which is why these are only driven to ~70% of their load capacity, according to the CREE spec sheets.

They generate quite a bit of heat when they're being powered, but the way these are designed they're basically sitting on a big slice of aluminum that attaches to a heatpipe/heatsink, that is cooled by a fan in the rear pulling in cool air and pushing out warm air.

They will get warm, but they're not going to be as hot as a traditional halogen bulb that has absolutely zero ability to dissipate the heat of a burning filament other than through the glass. Unless, of course, you touch the big slice of aluminum they're sitting on, in which case expect some burns.

The biggest thing is make sure that the plastic lens on your headlight doesn't have any pits in it. If they're slick they're going to shrug off more snow and ice buildup than if they're pitted and have holes to collect and anchor that stuff.

But again, I'm speaking from not having experienced using them during a winter where we get tons of snow and ice, so that thought process is all theoretical on my part.
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Originally Posted by elricfate
Well, yes and no, keep in mind how LEDs work and how they output heat based on the diode being powered. Also consider that the harder you push an LED, the hotter it gets, which is why these are only driven to ~70% of their load capacity, according to the CREE spec sheets.

They generate quite a bit of heat when they're being powered, but the way these are designed they're basically sitting on a big slice of aluminum that attaches to a heatpipe/heatsink, that is cooled by a fan in the rear pulling in cool air and pushing out warm air.

They will get warm, but they're not going to be as hot as a traditional halogen bulb that has absolutely zero ability to dissipate the heat of a burning filament other than through the glass. Unless, of course, you touch the big slice of aluminum they're sitting on, in which case expect some burns.

The biggest thing is make sure that the plastic lens on your headlight doesn't have any pits in it. If they're slick they're going to shrug off more snow and ice buildup than if they're pitted and have holes to collect and anchor that stuff.

But again, I'm speaking from not having experienced using them during a winter where we get tons of snow and ice, so that thought process is all theoretical on my part.
Cool, and thanks for that. I look forward to hearing more about it. That is if we get a winter this year.
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I have run them in a few winters without issue. I ran JW Speaker lights, no problem. I ran street scene in one of my trucks, and no problem.
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