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Why doesn't ford calculate payload, on the build website?

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Old 10-18-2016, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by 11screw50
Find me a half ton rig from the 80's or 90's that has a better payload, tows better, is quicker or gets better mpg than your truck....they don't do any one of those things better than the new trucks.

Heck, compare a 2015+ to a similarly equipped 2014 and the 2015+ will have a much higher available payload.

I don't think Ford is trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes...does Ram show you the exact payload on their site (guessing not since some of their trucks are at payload with a family of four and nothing else).
Who was talking about some F150 from 36 years ago. I was simply stating that there is still a lot more capability in these new aluminum body rigs. As I've stated in other threads; EPA, Sales strategy and targeted fuel economy has limited the true potential. There are so many good things from the previous generation that were omitted from the new figs that would have increased payload for every F150 not just the HD payload model. For example simply leaving the previous axel (thicker and stronger) but downsized for Wt and fuel economy. I'll use my F150 that illustrates this quite well. My 12" F150 was optioned almost exactly as my 16"; lost a sun roof and gained tow mirrors. The Wt difference was over 600 pounds lighter but I gained less then 100 lbs of payload all because of that axel and 3.55 Rear end as they dropped the 3.73 in the EB unless you buy the HD payload. This was all done as a result of EPA and fuel economy targets. Obviously clever marketing too....Im sure you can see that. ( as they were vastly overstated in last generation). More to my point. You really have to do your homework. BTW. Glad your happy with your rig as I too am satisfied but will be upsizing to the new F250 for my 5er. Hope that clears that up.
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What they do need to do is to put the payload rating on the window sticker so prospective buyers can browse inventory and look to see if a truck they are interested in has a decent payload instead of relying on some NOOB salesguy look on the truck and most likely give the wrong information or not even know what to look for.

What I have found is the easiest way to narrow down the field is to look for one with a 154" WB and go from there. That is the Screw with 6.5' bed.
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My needs have changed since I purchased a 2014 FX4 Ecco scab, doors says 1350 payload, I want to add a 1500 lb wet pop up slide in, so the search for how to do this is just beginning, not to derail this thread, how is fuel weight added to the available payload picture.?
Simple. You cannot. Add in the weight of you and your passengers and you will be well over payload.
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Joined just to post this. Option weights are available (not for 2017) on the ford fleet site. I took that data and made a spreadsheet to estimate weights (links to the source info on the fleet site are in the spreadsheet). I also did tabs for 250/350 so I could compare payload values (and cost from fords build site) to help make a decision.

The spreadsheet came pretty close to the sticker on a 2016 HD Payload I was looking at. You can make a copy into your own google account if you want to use it.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...MldhH6IDOYhy_0

Interestingly, if you get a ford sales person who has access to the right system, they can get you the curb weight w/options on a custom build. Those curb weights are actually different than what Ford publishes in it's materials.
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Originally Posted by mixedpuppy
Joined just to post this. Option weights are available (not for 2017) on the ford fleet site. I took that data and made a spreadsheet to estimate weights (links to the source info on the fleet site are in the spreadsheet). I also did tabs for 250/350 so I could compare payload values (and cost from fords build site) to help make a decision.

The spreadsheet came pretty close to the sticker on a 2016 HD Payload I was looking at. You can make a copy into your own google account if you want to use it.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...MldhH6IDOYhy_0

Interestingly, if you get a ford sales person who has access to the right system, they can get you the curb weight w/options on a custom build. Those curb weights are actually different than what Ford publishes in it's materials.
Agree this is what I was referring to. Thankx for your chart I'm sure it will be very beneficial.
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Originally Posted by 11screw50
The available payload on the yellow sticker assumes that you have a full tank of fuel.
Well thanks, I assumed so, given I have 36 gallon it would drop consoderably
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Originally Posted by Ricktwuhk
Simple. You cannot. Add in the weight of you and your passengers and you will be well over payload.
Okay, I won't try. Can't always get the answer you want. Still love the truck.
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Double post,

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Joined just to post this.
Nice first post; thanks for sharing your hard work. This forum could use more members like you.
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Originally Posted by Velosprout
Ford and all the other manufacturers already do that; it is standardized and they do the math for you. It is the yellow payload sticker that states "That the combined weight of occupants and cargo should never exceed "XXXX." The problem is that if you order a truck new, you have no way of knowing exactly what that ordered truck's payload figure will be until it actually at the dealership. Also, when searching nationwide for truck online, most dealerships publish almost everything on the truck except for this valuable data, and it is not duplicated on the window sticker. You could get the max payload figure published on the Ford Specs page, and then go to the Ford Fleet build page where the weight of each option applied is supposed to weigh and do the math yourself, but it is still probably just a guess.


Here is where you find the maximum figures: https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas...F-150_v1-0.pdf


Here is where you find the weight of options: https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas...load_SB_v5.pdf Scroll down to pages 4-8 and 4-9.
Now that is what I am talking about. That wasn't that difficult, though there could also be something that someone overlooks



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