PawPaw

Keystone Fuzion 371...shipping wt.13,140...carrying capacity 3,360...hitch weight 3,030...length 38'-11". Trying to see if a 2012 F-250 4x4 with the 6.7 PS can handle it safely.

KR Kodi

iTrader: (1)

Wow - nice trailer!!

Butt.....BIG!!!!

That thing has a GVWR of 16,500 lbs, and even if you load it light with minimal living/comfort stuff, by the time you load an ATV or motorcycle (or two!) you're gonna be up to at least 15,500 to 16,000 lbs!!!

Take a look at the last couple pages of the 2012 SuperDuty brochure below:

http://www.legacydirect.com/brochure..._superduty.pdf


You can see that depending on cab, the F250 4x4 can haul a max loaded trailer weight of 12,500 or 14,000 - and those "sales" brochure numbers are always a couple thousand lbs higher than a normal truck with a higher trim level and standard load of options can actually tow.

Edited: reviewing the brochure, I see that the weights above are for conventional tow trailers. For a gooseneck or fifth wheel the max trailer weight goes up to 15,900 to 16,400, with actual real world capability of a nicely optioned truck way less than that. As you can see below, the payload capacity will probably be your limiting factor.

Also, you can see that depending on cab and bed, the payload capacity of an F250 4x4 runs from about 3100 to 3800 lbs. again, a normal truck after options will have an actual payload at least several hundred lbs less than those "sales" numbers.

The 3030 lb hitch weight of that trailer is I assume empty. I believe the garage is in the rear, so the hitch weight might be slightly less when you load your vehicles in there.

However, a fifth wheel hitch weighs at least a couple hundred lbs, and with such a high hitch weight you'll probably be overweight with the truck empty - you won't have any weight left for people and stuff in the cab and bed.

Bottom line - that Toy Hauler is too big for even an F250!!! If you want to pull something like that, start looking for an F350 dually!

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PawPaw

That's what I figured Kodi...the F250 4x4 Crew Cab in 2012 showed a max of 15,200 with a 5th wheel. Minimal load in the truck and trailer would be right at the max weight or more. Trailer is nice though and has a king size bed and 1 and a half baths.

A7B2FX4

Here's a payload sticker on one of my F350s. I'm partial to the 350 SRW over the F250 because it doesn't squat as soon. Order it with both the camper and snow plow prep and enjoy everything but the stiff ride when empty.

smokeywren

GVWR = 16,500.



That's empty or "dry" hitch weight. Actual hitch weight will be close to 20% of GVWR of the wet and loaded trailer, or 3,300 pounds.



Depends on your definition of "safely". You'll be overloaded over the GVWR and probably over the rGAWR of the F-250. I don't consider overloaded over any of Ford's weight limits to be safe towing.


Ignore the tow rating of any F-250. That's not the limiter. The GVWR is the limiter. You will exceed the GVWR of the F-250 long before you reach anywhere close to the tow rating. A normally-loaded F-250 CrewCab 4x4 diesel can haul hitch weight of about 1,700 to 2,000 pounds before it runs out of GVWR. That's a max 5er weight of 8,500 to 10,000 pounds.


The F-350 SRW can haul a hitch weight of less than 3,000 pounds before it runs out of GVWR. That's a max 5er weight of less than 15,000 pounds. So even if your truck was a so-called "one-ton" F-350 SRW, it would be overloaded with that trailer.


That Fuzion 371 is a wonderful toy hauler, but it requires a late-model dually to tow it safely.

jcain

Drag it, sure. Handle it properly or safely, no.

smcox1

I wouldn't have a problem pulling that with a f250 with air bags to keep it from squatting.

PawPaw

My Daughter and Son in Law are persistent about getting the trailer and pulling it with their F-250...in fact the 5th wheel is being mounted Friday and they're pulling the trailer home. I've already checked into a 2015 F-350 Lariat dually but the $61K price has got me wondering. If this keeps up I'll have to go back to work! Having driven tanker trucks over 40 yrs ago I know what overloading a truck can do...we use to break leaf springs on a routine basis. Anyway thank's for the imput guys!

smcox1

If you're going that big might as well go to a 450 with 31,600 pound rating

KR Kodi

iTrader: (1)

You can see in that picture of the sticker in post #4 of A7B2FX4's F350, it has a 3775 lb payload capacity - and I think that's fairly typical.


With a couple hundred lb 5th wheel hitch in the bed, that reduces the payload capacity down to 3575 lbs.


With a couple of standard size people in the cab (let's say 175 each), that brings the payload down to 3225. If you don't carry anything else at all in the cab or bed of truck you'll be able to carry the hitch weight of the empty trailer and be slightly under weight limit ratings - at least GVWR, I dunno bout rear axle GAWR.


I suspect you may want to carry more weight in the cab and bed of the truck, and when you put any load in the trailer you may end up a hitch weight like smokeywren said of 3300 lbs, and a normal F350 won't even be able to stay within limits pulling that trailer.


I think if you seriously want to pull a trailer that big you really need to be looking at an F350 DRW truck.


If you go big with a trailer like that, you're gonna need to go big with a SuperDuty dually!!
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