Towing a backhoe
04-17-2015, 10:13 AM
#31
Official Bass Slapper
Short of the long, this is not a good comparison to try and justify a 3000-4000 trailer with a 13000 back hoe on it. Hell, even with my family's penchant for heavy duty diesel pickups, I'm still wary as **** when my dad needs to move his Case more than a couple km up or down the road.
OP, if you have it available to you, please, please, PLEASE get a truck rated for the load you're looking to haul. I know it'll be a pain in the ***, but that could very well be the difference between life and death, for you or some unlucky soul passing by. There is absolutely no question about it in my mind - this is an unsafe load. I hope you take positive criticism from this, as I'm not trying to get on your ***. I wish you luck on moving the back hoe.
Perhaps a hauling company might be able to assist? Or is that out of budget? I know with my work, sending a 12000 crane 200 miles is about 400-500, depend on the height, and that back hoe would definitely constitute a tall load.
04-17-2015, 10:24 AM
#32
I would be surprised if that mini excavator, which is a Deere 35D for reference, weighed much more than 8000#. They are surprising light for the work they are capable of. So for this F150 pictured here to be carrying this mini-excavator, he is at - if not over - his GVWR, probably rGAWR if he didn't meticulously place it on the trailer. Looks like he did, though, as it's sitting rather even.
Short of the long, this is not a good comparison to try and justify a 3000-4000 trailer with a 13000 back hoe on it. Hell, even with my family's penchant for heavy duty diesel pickups, I'm still wary as **** when my dad needs to move his Case more than a couple km up or down the road.
OP, if you have it available to you, please, please, PLEASE get a truck rated for the load you're looking to haul. I know it'll be a pain in the ***, but that could very well be the difference between life and death, for you or some unlucky soul passing by. There is absolutely no question about it in my mind - this is an unsafe load. I hope you take positive criticism from this, as I'm not trying to get on your ***. I wish you luck on moving the back hoe.
Perhaps a hauling company might be able to assist? Or is that out of budget? I know with my work, sending a 12000 crane 200 miles is about 400-500, depend on the height, and that back hoe would definitely constitute a tall load.
Short of the long, this is not a good comparison to try and justify a 3000-4000 trailer with a 13000 back hoe on it. Hell, even with my family's penchant for heavy duty diesel pickups, I'm still wary as **** when my dad needs to move his Case more than a couple km up or down the road.
OP, if you have it available to you, please, please, PLEASE get a truck rated for the load you're looking to haul. I know it'll be a pain in the ***, but that could very well be the difference between life and death, for you or some unlucky soul passing by. There is absolutely no question about it in my mind - this is an unsafe load. I hope you take positive criticism from this, as I'm not trying to get on your ***. I wish you luck on moving the back hoe.
Perhaps a hauling company might be able to assist? Or is that out of budget? I know with my work, sending a 12000 crane 200 miles is about 400-500, depend on the height, and that back hoe would definitely constitute a tall load.
I think most people posting not to do the haul just want to make sure everyone gets home safely. I work in the Oil and Gas industry and our company continues to re-enforce that all of us, and the people around us have familys or people that are special in our lives. Everyone needs to get home to their loved ones at the end of each day; that is ultimately what is important in life and we need to manage risks appropiately.
10-31-2015, 04:29 PM
#33
I would be surprised if that mini excavator, which is a Deere 35D for reference, weighed much more than 8000#. They are surprising light for the work they are capable of. So for this F150 pictured here to be carrying this mini-excavator, he is at - if not over - his GVWR, probably rGAWR if he didn't meticulously place it on the trailer. Looks like he did, though, as it's sitting rather even.
Short of the long, this is not a good comparison to try and justify a 3000-4000 trailer with a 13000 back hoe on it. Hell, even with my family's penchant for heavy duty diesel pickups, I'm still wary as **** when my dad needs to move his Case more than a couple km up or down the road.
OP, if you have it available to you, please, please, PLEASE get a truck rated for the load you're looking to haul. I know it'll be a pain in the ***, but that could very well be the difference between life and death, for you or some unlucky soul passing by. There is absolutely no question about it in my mind - this is an unsafe load. I hope you take positive criticism from this, as I'm not trying to get on your ***. I wish you luck on moving the back hoe.
Perhaps a hauling company might be able to assist? Or is that out of budget? I know with my work, sending a 12000 crane 200 miles is about 400-500, depend on the height, and that back hoe would definitely constitute a tall load.
Short of the long, this is not a good comparison to try and justify a 3000-4000 trailer with a 13000 back hoe on it. Hell, even with my family's penchant for heavy duty diesel pickups, I'm still wary as **** when my dad needs to move his Case more than a couple km up or down the road.
OP, if you have it available to you, please, please, PLEASE get a truck rated for the load you're looking to haul. I know it'll be a pain in the ***, but that could very well be the difference between life and death, for you or some unlucky soul passing by. There is absolutely no question about it in my mind - this is an unsafe load. I hope you take positive criticism from this, as I'm not trying to get on your ***. I wish you luck on moving the back hoe.
Perhaps a hauling company might be able to assist? Or is that out of budget? I know with my work, sending a 12000 crane 200 miles is about 400-500, depend on the height, and that back hoe would definitely constitute a tall load.
That excavator weighs 7677 LBS, an extra bucket is on the trailer so add 350 LBS. So say 8027 LBS + trailer about 3500= 11527. There are trailers out there that weigh around 2000 LBS that can haul this machine. So this guy is really not overdoing it with this truck and trailer. I can assure you that if he does this type of hauling for long he will upgrade to a F250, or F350 at some point. There is what appears to be a power broom on the front of the trailer so I would imagine that the total weight may be 500lbs heavier.
One of the most important safety mechanisms of any motor vehicle unit, or units is the person behind the wheel.
I really fail to see the benefit in attacking and embarrassing the person that came to this forum seeking info about towing a 13000 LB Backhoe. I think an appropriate response would have simply been to say no the F150 is not enough truck for that move. The F350 with a goose neck set up would be the best arraignment for this kind of load. An F250 can, and I'm sure gets regular work pulling this kind of load, and a prudent and careful driver can get it done with the lighter truck.
The moral ground that has to be addressed any time you start to haul or tow should be. 1) Can I control this thing I am hauling? 2) Can I do so without causing harm to others? 3) Is my equipment in reasonably good enough shape not to become a hazard during the move?
Last edited by DMC60; 10-31-2015 at 08:17 PM.
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11-01-2015, 10:35 AM
#34
Senior Member
Looks like sweeper attachment, probably about 500lbs
Trailer, probably about 3000lbs
He could still be about under tow rating with max tow.
Rear suspension is not squatting, could have airbags, but probably positioned the excavator correctly.
I see this combination a lot from rental yards who rent to half ton owners, very popular size combination in my area. I have done it a few times myself with no worries.
11-01-2015, 02:09 PM
#35
Grumpy Old Man
Hmmmmmmmm. How did I miss this thread back in April?
In May, 2015 I did almost exactly what the OP was asking about. 2012 F-150 EcoBoost dragging a 40' gooseneck dually equipment trailer hauling a full-size John Deere 310A backhoe about 350 miles across the Texas Hill Country. No problems caused by being severely overloaded, other than the 6 MPG on premium gas instead of my normal 10 MPG when towing my TT. Plenty of power to pull that load over the hills at highway speeds.. Electric trailer brakes worked great using the Ford ITBC. Cool misty day with high ambient temp in the low 80s F., so tranny and drivetrain never got hot. Overloaded P-series tires on the F-150, but checked often with a laser temp gauge and they never got hot.
CAT scale report:
3,380 Steer axle (3,650 fGAWR)
5,080 Drive axle (3,850 rGARW)
------
8,460 GVW (7.100 GVWR)
19.040 trailer axles (plus about 2,400 hitch weight = a bit over 21,400 gross trailer weight)
----------
27,500 GCW (14,000 GCWR)
========
The backhoe alone grossed a bit over 13,000 pounds. I delivered it to a hilltop near Blanco with no problems.
Yep, severely overloaded over the GVWR, GCWR, rGARW, but no problem making the trip. Old farm boy who often towed heavy trailers back in the 1950s knew how to be careful and properly prepare for that overloaded trip. Plus that EcoBoost drivetrain was amazing.
Would I do it again? I hope I'm never is a position of needing to tow that much overloaded again. Even though I had no problems, it's stressful knowing that you're severely overloaded. I had a good tow vehicle, excellent brakes on the gooseneck trailer and a wonderful trailer brake controller, so I was never "an accident waiting to happen". I could stop, I could go, I could turn corners and climb hills, and my load was properly secured. My biggest worry was a blow-out from the overloaded rear tires on the pickup, but those Michelin P265/65R18 tires pumped up to 44 PSI cold survived with no drama.
Sorry, no photos. The rear end of the SuperCrew squatted a bit more than normal, so I didn't drive at night. But nothing to indicate an overloaded rig, so LEO ignored me.
https://www.f150forum.com/f82/my-f-1...mazing-300522/
In May, 2015 I did almost exactly what the OP was asking about. 2012 F-150 EcoBoost dragging a 40' gooseneck dually equipment trailer hauling a full-size John Deere 310A backhoe about 350 miles across the Texas Hill Country. No problems caused by being severely overloaded, other than the 6 MPG on premium gas instead of my normal 10 MPG when towing my TT. Plenty of power to pull that load over the hills at highway speeds.. Electric trailer brakes worked great using the Ford ITBC. Cool misty day with high ambient temp in the low 80s F., so tranny and drivetrain never got hot. Overloaded P-series tires on the F-150, but checked often with a laser temp gauge and they never got hot.
CAT scale report:
3,380 Steer axle (3,650 fGAWR)
5,080 Drive axle (3,850 rGARW)
------
8,460 GVW (7.100 GVWR)
19.040 trailer axles (plus about 2,400 hitch weight = a bit over 21,400 gross trailer weight)
----------
27,500 GCW (14,000 GCWR)
========
The backhoe alone grossed a bit over 13,000 pounds. I delivered it to a hilltop near Blanco with no problems.
Yep, severely overloaded over the GVWR, GCWR, rGARW, but no problem making the trip. Old farm boy who often towed heavy trailers back in the 1950s knew how to be careful and properly prepare for that overloaded trip. Plus that EcoBoost drivetrain was amazing.
Would I do it again? I hope I'm never is a position of needing to tow that much overloaded again. Even though I had no problems, it's stressful knowing that you're severely overloaded. I had a good tow vehicle, excellent brakes on the gooseneck trailer and a wonderful trailer brake controller, so I was never "an accident waiting to happen". I could stop, I could go, I could turn corners and climb hills, and my load was properly secured. My biggest worry was a blow-out from the overloaded rear tires on the pickup, but those Michelin P265/65R18 tires pumped up to 44 PSI cold survived with no drama.
Sorry, no photos. The rear end of the SuperCrew squatted a bit more than normal, so I didn't drive at night. But nothing to indicate an overloaded rig, so LEO ignored me.
https://www.f150forum.com/f82/my-f-1...mazing-300522/
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11-01-2015, 05:48 PM
#36
Hmmmmmmmm. How did I miss this thread back in April? In May, 2015 I did almost exactly what the OP was asking about. 2012 F-150 EcoBoost dragging a 40' gooseneck dually equipment trailer hauling a full-size John Deere 310A backhoe about 350 miles across the Texas Hill Country. No problems caused by being severely overloaded, other than the 6 MPG on premium gas instead of my normal 10 MPG when towing my TT. Plenty of power to pull that load over the hills at highway speeds.. Electric trailer brakes worked great using the Ford ITBC. Cool misty day with high ambient temp in the low 80s F., so tranny and drivetrain never got hot. Overloaded P-series tires on the F-150, but checked often with a laser temp gauge and they never got hot. CAT scale report: 3,380 Steer axle (3,650 fGAWR) 5,080 Drive axle (3,850 rGARW) ------ 8,460 GVW (7.100 GVWR) 19.040 trailer axles (plus about 2,400 hitch weight = a bit over 21,400 gross trailer weight) ---------- 27,500 GCW (14,000 GCWR) ======== The backhoe alone grossed a bit over 13,000 pounds. I delivered it to a hilltop near Blanco with no problems. Yep, severely overloaded over the GVWR, GCWR, rGARW, but no problem making the trip. Old farm boy who often towed heavy trailers back in the 1950s knew how to be careful and properly prepare for that overloaded trip. Plus that EcoBoost drivetrain was amazing. Would I do it again? I hope I'm never is a position of needing to tow that much overloaded again. Even though I had no problems, it's stressful knowing that you're severely overloaded. I had a good tow vehicle, excellent brakes on the gooseneck trailer and a wonderful trailer brake controller, so I was never "an accident waiting to happen". I could stop, I could go, I could turn corners and climb hills, and my load was properly secured. My biggest worry was a blow-out from the overloaded rear tires on the pickup, but those Michelin P265/65R18 tires pumped up to 44 PSI cold survived with no drama. Sorry, no photos. The rear end of the SuperCrew squatted a bit more than normal, so I didn't drive at night. But nothing to indicate an overloaded rig, so LEO ignored me. https://www.f150forum.com/f82/my-f-1...mazing-300522/
11-04-2015, 09:35 AM
#37
Senior Member
I have also done it on a 1000 km round trip with an 04 F150 SCREW.
That being said I was a little smarter than the average bear. I removed the hoe and the cab for the trip and took them in separate trips.
The hoe came back by itself and weighed more than the tractor itself. The second trip saw the cab in the box of the truck. Third trip we brought the tractor home.
It meant a little more work but not as bad as you might think. The hoe actually comes off fairly easily and uses its own hydraulics to take it off. Getting it on the trailer was a different story. We were suppose to have another hoe there to lift it onto the trailer but the guy never showed up. So we used some old fashioned lifting, blocking and winching to get it on the trailer.
In hindsight I would have left the cab on and had one less trip but overloaded.
That being said I was a little smarter than the average bear. I removed the hoe and the cab for the trip and took them in separate trips.
The hoe came back by itself and weighed more than the tractor itself. The second trip saw the cab in the box of the truck. Third trip we brought the tractor home.
It meant a little more work but not as bad as you might think. The hoe actually comes off fairly easily and uses its own hydraulics to take it off. Getting it on the trailer was a different story. We were suppose to have another hoe there to lift it onto the trailer but the guy never showed up. So we used some old fashioned lifting, blocking and winching to get it on the trailer.
In hindsight I would have left the cab on and had one less trip but overloaded.
11-04-2015, 10:52 AM
#38
Beer, Boats, and Trucks.
I have also done it on a 1000 km round trip with an 04 F150 SCREW.
That being said I was a little smarter than the average bear. I removed the hoe and the cab for the trip and took them in separate trips.
The hoe came back by itself and weighed more than the tractor itself. The second trip saw the cab in the box of the truck. Third trip we brought the tractor home.
It meant a little more work but not as bad as you might think. The hoe actually comes off fairly easily and uses its own hydraulics to take it off. Getting it on the trailer was a different story. We were suppose to have another hoe there to lift it onto the trailer but the guy never showed up. So we used some old fashioned lifting, blocking and winching to get it on the trailer.
In hindsight I would have left the cab on and had one less trip but overloaded.
That being said I was a little smarter than the average bear. I removed the hoe and the cab for the trip and took them in separate trips.
The hoe came back by itself and weighed more than the tractor itself. The second trip saw the cab in the box of the truck. Third trip we brought the tractor home.
It meant a little more work but not as bad as you might think. The hoe actually comes off fairly easily and uses its own hydraulics to take it off. Getting it on the trailer was a different story. We were suppose to have another hoe there to lift it onto the trailer but the guy never showed up. So we used some old fashioned lifting, blocking and winching to get it on the trailer.
In hindsight I would have left the cab on and had one less trip but overloaded.
11-06-2015, 10:07 AM
#39
11-07-2015, 04:50 PM
#40
There is an option in the control panel so that members that make ignorant comments can be ignored. This thread caused me to actually look for such a tool.
That being said I do enjoy the comments made by people that have a can do attitude, and sometimes go a little outside of the lines. These same people have a wealth of experience to share with those who are humble enough to listen.
The posers on this forum would do well to just read and absorb the bits of knowledge that other people share, and not be so quick to judge with their very narrow level of experience on a given subject.
That being said I do enjoy the comments made by people that have a can do attitude, and sometimes go a little outside of the lines. These same people have a wealth of experience to share with those who are humble enough to listen.
The posers on this forum would do well to just read and absorb the bits of knowledge that other people share, and not be so quick to judge with their very narrow level of experience on a given subject.
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