towing with the 5.0L advice
06-05-2014, 03:03 PM
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towing with the 5.0L advice
I am looking for help if people think my truck can handle the new TT im looking at. I have a 2011 F150 with the 5.0L and it has the tow package. The TT im looking at is the Puma Unleashed 27SBU
Length (ft/m) 30.42 / 9.3
Width (in/mm) 96 / 2438.4
Height (in/mm) 144 / 3657.6
Interior Height (in/mm) 96 / 2438.4
Length (ft/ft) 30
Length (ft/in) 5
Dry Weight (lbs/kg) 6930 / 3143.4
Payload Capacity (lbs/kgs) 4082 / 1851.6
GVWR (lbs/kgs) 11062 / 5017.7
Hitch Weight (lbs/kgs) 902 / 409.1
Capacities Standard
Number Of Fresh Water Holding Tanks 1
Total Fresh Water Tank Capacity (gal/l) 100 / 378.5
Number Of Gray Water Holding Tanks 1
Total Gray Water Tank Capacity (gal/l) 42 / 159
Number Of Black Water Holding Tanks 1
Total Black Water Tank Capacity (gal/l) 32 / 121.1
Propane Tank (s) Standard
Number Of Propane Tanks 2
Total Propane Tank Capacity (gal/lbs) 9.4 / 40
I do understand that the GVWR of 11062 is over my limit for my truck but from what i think i would carry with me ill be at the 8300 lbs mark
And before every EB driver starts to put in there 2 cents in about how the EB would have no problem really i dont care just want to know what guy with the 5.0 L think
Length (ft/m) 30.42 / 9.3
Width (in/mm) 96 / 2438.4
Height (in/mm) 144 / 3657.6
Interior Height (in/mm) 96 / 2438.4
Length (ft/ft) 30
Length (ft/in) 5
Dry Weight (lbs/kg) 6930 / 3143.4
Payload Capacity (lbs/kgs) 4082 / 1851.6
GVWR (lbs/kgs) 11062 / 5017.7
Hitch Weight (lbs/kgs) 902 / 409.1
Capacities Standard
Number Of Fresh Water Holding Tanks 1
Total Fresh Water Tank Capacity (gal/l) 100 / 378.5
Number Of Gray Water Holding Tanks 1
Total Gray Water Tank Capacity (gal/l) 42 / 159
Number Of Black Water Holding Tanks 1
Total Black Water Tank Capacity (gal/l) 32 / 121.1
Propane Tank (s) Standard
Number Of Propane Tanks 2
Total Propane Tank Capacity (gal/lbs) 9.4 / 40
I do understand that the GVWR of 11062 is over my limit for my truck but from what i think i would carry with me ill be at the 8300 lbs mark
And before every EB driver starts to put in there 2 cents in about how the EB would have no problem really i dont care just want to know what guy with the 5.0 L think
06-05-2014, 03:36 PM
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I think you answered your own question in the next to last statement.
If you are over the limit, I would say no.
If you are over the limit, I would say no.
06-05-2014, 03:40 PM
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As I mentioned in your post in the other section, what are the weights on the stickers on your driver's door and under your rear bumper???
The GVWR of your truck and its payload capacity are on the door, and the hitch limits are on the sticker under the bumper. I think it will probably say that with a WDH your hitch is limited to a 10500 lb trailer and a max tongue weight of 1050 lbs.
Also, what rear end do you have? I suspect it's probably the 3.55.
You say the dry trailer weight is 6930, but you think you won't load it to more than 8300 lbs. Even if you can initially keep it that light weight, after a season or two it will even be more than that.
However, even at 8300 you're probably at the limits for your truck. Common towing wisdom is that the tongue weight should be 10% to 15% of the trailer weight, with a real minimum of 12%.
Towing 8300 lbs of trailer, a 12% tongue weight is 1000 lbs. With a WDH that weighs 75 to 100 lbs, you're already overweight on the tongue (although some of that will be redistributed forward to the truck's front axle, and rear to the trailer axles).
The big problem will probably be your payload capacity. What is the payload capacity?
If it's around 1400 to 1500 lbs you might be okay.
If you have 1100 lbs of tongue weight and WDH pushing down on the hitch, and you have a 1500 payload capacity, then you'll have around 400 lbs left for people and cargo in cab and bed - but 400 lbs isn't very much!!
What kind of towing will you be doing??
If you're doing seasonal towing of a couple hundred miles twice a year to park the TT all summer and bring it home in the fall, then you'll probably be okay.
If you'll be doing long range towing of thousands of miles across the country, then you'll want something that's not going to strain your truck to the max.
Let us know what your truck's GVWR and payload capacity are, but I think you might need to be considering a TT with a dry weight of not much more than 5000 lbs.
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The GVWR of your truck and its payload capacity are on the door, and the hitch limits are on the sticker under the bumper. I think it will probably say that with a WDH your hitch is limited to a 10500 lb trailer and a max tongue weight of 1050 lbs.
Also, what rear end do you have? I suspect it's probably the 3.55.
You say the dry trailer weight is 6930, but you think you won't load it to more than 8300 lbs. Even if you can initially keep it that light weight, after a season or two it will even be more than that.
However, even at 8300 you're probably at the limits for your truck. Common towing wisdom is that the tongue weight should be 10% to 15% of the trailer weight, with a real minimum of 12%.
Towing 8300 lbs of trailer, a 12% tongue weight is 1000 lbs. With a WDH that weighs 75 to 100 lbs, you're already overweight on the tongue (although some of that will be redistributed forward to the truck's front axle, and rear to the trailer axles).
The big problem will probably be your payload capacity. What is the payload capacity?
If it's around 1400 to 1500 lbs you might be okay.
If you have 1100 lbs of tongue weight and WDH pushing down on the hitch, and you have a 1500 payload capacity, then you'll have around 400 lbs left for people and cargo in cab and bed - but 400 lbs isn't very much!!
What kind of towing will you be doing??
If you're doing seasonal towing of a couple hundred miles twice a year to park the TT all summer and bring it home in the fall, then you'll probably be okay.
If you'll be doing long range towing of thousands of miles across the country, then you'll want something that's not going to strain your truck to the max.
Let us know what your truck's GVWR and payload capacity are, but I think you might need to be considering a TT with a dry weight of not much more than 5000 lbs.
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Last edited by KR Kodi; 06-05-2014 at 03:43 PM.
06-05-2014, 03:43 PM
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I have a 2011 5.0 Scab and a TT that weighs ~7000lb fully loaded and I pull it pretty easily. So while your estimate of 8300lbs is fine, with that 902 dry hitch weight you are probably going to be in trouble. Granted with a TH you are going to have more weight in the back which will help with the hitch weight but from my experience we are more limited by our GVWR then our GCWR
In my situation the truck weighs ~5800 with a GVWR of 7200. When I am fully loaded with wife/kid/dog etc, I am close to 6500. That only leaves 700lbs for a hitch weight, so you probably see where I am going with that 902 dry hitch weight.
If it were me I wouldn't get that specific trailer, I too am looking at a TH in the nex year or two and will be stepping up to a Superduty so that I can safely haul all of my bikes.
In my situation the truck weighs ~5800 with a GVWR of 7200. When I am fully loaded with wife/kid/dog etc, I am close to 6500. That only leaves 700lbs for a hitch weight, so you probably see where I am going with that 902 dry hitch weight.
If it were me I wouldn't get that specific trailer, I too am looking at a TH in the nex year or two and will be stepping up to a Superduty so that I can safely haul all of my bikes.
06-05-2014, 04:24 PM
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As I mentioned in your post in the other section, what are the weights on the stickers on your driver's door and under your rear bumper???
The GVWR of your truck and its payload capacity are on the door, and the hitch limits are on the sticker under the bumper. I think it will probably say that with a WDH your hitch is limited to a 10500 lb trailer and a max tongue weight of 1050 lbs.
Also, what rear end do you have? I suspect it's probably the 3.55.
You say the dry trailer weight is 6930, but you think you won't load it to more than 8300 lbs. Even if you can initially keep it that light weight, after a season or two it will even be more than that.
However, even at 8300 you're probably at the limits for your truck. Common towing wisdom is that the tongue weight should be 10% to 15% of the trailer weight, with a real minimum of 12%.
Towing 8300 lbs of trailer, a 12% tongue weight is 1000 lbs. With a WDH that weighs 75 to 100 lbs, you're already overweight on the tongue (although some of that will be redistributed forward to the truck's front axle, and rear to the trailer axles).
The big problem will probably be your payload capacity. What is the payload capacity?
If it's around 1400 to 1500 lbs you might be okay.
If you have 1100 lbs of tongue weight and WDH pushing down on the hitch, and you have a 1500 payload capacity, then you'll have around 400 lbs left for people and cargo in cab and bed - but 400 lbs isn't very much!!
What kind of towing will you be doing??
If you're doing seasonal towing of a couple hundred miles twice a year to park the TT all summer and bring it home in the fall, then you'll probably be okay.
If you'll be doing long range towing of thousands of miles across the country, then you'll want something that's not going to strain your truck to the max.
Let us know what your truck's GVWR and payload capacity are, but I think you might need to be considering a TT with a dry weight of not much more than 5000 lbs.
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The GVWR of your truck and its payload capacity are on the door, and the hitch limits are on the sticker under the bumper. I think it will probably say that with a WDH your hitch is limited to a 10500 lb trailer and a max tongue weight of 1050 lbs.
Also, what rear end do you have? I suspect it's probably the 3.55.
You say the dry trailer weight is 6930, but you think you won't load it to more than 8300 lbs. Even if you can initially keep it that light weight, after a season or two it will even be more than that.
However, even at 8300 you're probably at the limits for your truck. Common towing wisdom is that the tongue weight should be 10% to 15% of the trailer weight, with a real minimum of 12%.
Towing 8300 lbs of trailer, a 12% tongue weight is 1000 lbs. With a WDH that weighs 75 to 100 lbs, you're already overweight on the tongue (although some of that will be redistributed forward to the truck's front axle, and rear to the trailer axles).
The big problem will probably be your payload capacity. What is the payload capacity?
If it's around 1400 to 1500 lbs you might be okay.
If you have 1100 lbs of tongue weight and WDH pushing down on the hitch, and you have a 1500 payload capacity, then you'll have around 400 lbs left for people and cargo in cab and bed - but 400 lbs isn't very much!!
What kind of towing will you be doing??
If you're doing seasonal towing of a couple hundred miles twice a year to park the TT all summer and bring it home in the fall, then you'll probably be okay.
If you'll be doing long range towing of thousands of miles across the country, then you'll want something that's not going to strain your truck to the max.
Let us know what your truck's GVWR and payload capacity are, but I think you might need to be considering a TT with a dry weight of not much more than 5000 lbs.
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06-05-2014, 05:35 PM
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However, is that a brochure number, or is that the actual payload capacity of YOUR truck off the door sticker???
If you have a plain Jane/no frills/no options truck, then you might have the full 1700 lb payload capacity that the sales brochures mention.
I've got a heavily optioned King Ranch that has the 7200 lb GVWR, but take a look at my door stickers below:
The top sticker shows my 7200 GVWR, and the bottom sticker has my payload capacity of 1115 lbs.
The payload capacity is the weight of the empty truck (nothing in it but a full tank of gas) subtracted from the GVWR.
I have added a bed liner, tonneau cover, and bed extender. I took the truck and trailer to my local CAT scales and topped off the gas, and the truck weighed 6180 with my 95 lbs of additions, so my payload is down to 1020 lbs!!!
So - what is your truck's payload capacity?
Unless it's really stripped down it will probably be less than 1700 lbs.
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06-05-2014, 06:00 PM
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If you have a payload capacity of 1700 lbs - EXCELLENT!!!
However, is that a brochure number, or is that the actual payload capacity of YOUR truck off the door sticker???
If you have a plain Jane/no frills/no options truck, then you might have the full 1700 lb payload capacity that the sales brochures mention.
I've got a heavily optioned King Ranch that has the 7200 lb GVWR, but take a look at my door stickers below:
The top sticker shows my 7200 GVWR, and the bottom sticker has my payload capacity of 1115 lbs.
The payload capacity is the weight of the empty truck (nothing in it but a full tank of gas) subtracted from the GVWR.
I have added a bed liner, tonneau cover, and bed extender. I took the truck and trailer to my local CAT scales and topped off the gas, and the truck weighed 6180 with my 95 lbs of additions, so my payload is down to 1020 lbs!!!
So - what is your truck's payload capacity?
Unless it's really stripped down it will probably be less than 1700 lbs.
.
However, is that a brochure number, or is that the actual payload capacity of YOUR truck off the door sticker???
If you have a plain Jane/no frills/no options truck, then you might have the full 1700 lb payload capacity that the sales brochures mention.
I've got a heavily optioned King Ranch that has the 7200 lb GVWR, but take a look at my door stickers below:
The top sticker shows my 7200 GVWR, and the bottom sticker has my payload capacity of 1115 lbs.
The payload capacity is the weight of the empty truck (nothing in it but a full tank of gas) subtracted from the GVWR.
I have added a bed liner, tonneau cover, and bed extender. I took the truck and trailer to my local CAT scales and topped off the gas, and the truck weighed 6180 with my 95 lbs of additions, so my payload is down to 1020 lbs!!!
So - what is your truck's payload capacity?
Unless it's really stripped down it will probably be less than 1700 lbs.
.
06-05-2014, 06:51 PM
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Well then you're in pretty good shape if, like the example in my earlier post, you have a tongue weight of 1100 lbs.
In that case you'll have 357 lbs available for people and cargo in the cab and bed.
Unfortunately 357 lbs doesn't go very far - two normal size people and that's it for what you can carry in the truck.
Butt...you can put anything else in the trailer.
Go for it!!
In that case you'll have 357 lbs available for people and cargo in the cab and bed.
Unfortunately 357 lbs doesn't go very far - two normal size people and that's it for what you can carry in the truck.
Butt...you can put anything else in the trailer.
Go for it!!
