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02-27-2017, 11:27 PM
#31
Somethin' Bout a Truck...
I haven't towed a large/heavy TT with my F150 as ours is small/light, but I have towed a few boats with mine and I noticed the ones with MORE tongue weight rode MUCH smoother. I honestly think the soft rear suspension and light tongue weight on my previous boat caused my porposing/rear end bouncing. I smoothed it out with airbags but I also noticed with the airbags empty if I put a few hundred pounds in the bow it would smooth out just the same. The truck didn't sag any with the boat only, but put 300lbs in the nose of the boat and it'd sag an inch but ride so much nicer.
My new boat is just heavier and it rides much better with my all stock 2016. Just my food for thought if you have the ability on payload to test out this theory.
My new boat is just heavier and it rides much better with my all stock 2016. Just my food for thought if you have the ability on payload to test out this theory.
02-27-2017, 11:44 PM
#32
I put a topper on over the weekend, and the ride is much smoother now. Prior to that it would hit a bump and the tires would bounce several times. Adding weight helped smooth it out.
A lot of porpoising and bouncing can be contributed to poor weight distribution. A tail heavy trailer, even if it has 10-13% TW, can cause issues. A perfectly loaded trailer nose high can cause issues.
My 14 rode very well once I got the WDH dialed in, no porpoising, no bouncing, and after replacing the OEM shocks with Bilstiens in the rear, the oscillations went away too. I have a feeling the new 16 I have now will oscillate due to the poor shocks that are on it, so it will be getting Bilstiens all around before camping season.
A lot of porpoising and bouncing can be contributed to poor weight distribution. A tail heavy trailer, even if it has 10-13% TW, can cause issues. A perfectly loaded trailer nose high can cause issues.
My 14 rode very well once I got the WDH dialed in, no porpoising, no bouncing, and after replacing the OEM shocks with Bilstiens in the rear, the oscillations went away too. I have a feeling the new 16 I have now will oscillate due to the poor shocks that are on it, so it will be getting Bilstiens all around before camping season.
02-28-2017, 08:33 AM
#33
Caffeine Addict
Originally Posted by Highway Traffic Act - Ontario REGULATION 424/97 -
COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE OPERATORS’ INFORMATION
COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE OPERATORS’ INFORMATION
1.2 (1) A pick-up truck is exempt from the requirements of section 16 of the Act if,
- (a) it is being used for personal purposes without compensation; and
- (b) it is not carrying, or towing a trailer that is carrying, commercial cargo or tools or equipment of a type normally used for commercial purposes. O. Reg. 247/07, s. 2.
02-28-2017, 09:17 AM
#34
Member
i know what your mean about trailers but once your into f350 territory over 11000 pound GVWR you pretty much need an annual now in Ontario personal or not, why buy a truck that large unless you plan on doing some serious hauling/towing so prepare to pay of for maintenance once a yearn for your annual sticker
02-28-2017, 10:17 AM
#35
Senior Member
That law you quoted does not apply to 1 ton trucks any longer. Once you clear the minimum GVWR you are subject to commercial.
Some have tried to get around this by registering their trucks at a lower GVWR but most MTO guys are on to this and simply look at the sticker on the truck which clearly shows the incorrect registration.
As I noted I have a friend that went through the process, tried to fight it and lost. This is no way around this now in Ontario. The only way to avoid it is luck. I know plenty of guys driving 1 tons and no going through the process. So long as an MTO guy does not pull you over it is not an issue, although your insurance may see this differently in the event of an accident. We all know they are just looking for excuses to deny a claim.
Some have tried to get around this by registering their trucks at a lower GVWR but most MTO guys are on to this and simply look at the sticker on the truck which clearly shows the incorrect registration.
As I noted I have a friend that went through the process, tried to fight it and lost. This is no way around this now in Ontario. The only way to avoid it is luck. I know plenty of guys driving 1 tons and no going through the process. So long as an MTO guy does not pull you over it is not an issue, although your insurance may see this differently in the event of an accident. We all know they are just looking for excuses to deny a claim.
02-28-2017, 08:54 PM
#36
Senior Member
i know what your mean about trailers but once your into f350 territory over 11000 pound GVWR you pretty much need an annual now in Ontario personal or not, why buy a truck that large unless you plan on doing some serious hauling/towing so prepare to pay of for maintenance once a yearn for your annual sticker
That being said, how could you renew your plate sticker without the safety? My dad has a F350 with the 11,000lbs GVWR (or whatever the higher number is) and he has to pay $180/yr for the plate, but no safety required.
03-01-2017, 09:03 AM
#38
Senior Member
It is a strange problem and as I said not all MTO locations or guys are enforcing this yet. Enforcement seems to be growing so I would be very wary of a 1 ton if I did not need one. For my buddy, he is now stuck and must consider whether to get the yearly done or sell the truck and move to a 3/4 ton.
As for a different sticker, never heard of that but same problem as registering below the GVWR. if you do get pulled over towing a load that exceeds your registration, you are subject to commercial laws at that point and may be in for a hefty fine. Not fun at all.
03-01-2017, 09:05 AM
#39
Member
This is why I have went down to a f150 HDPP I still need sticks because I tow commercial equipment but easier to maintain and mto usually not to interested in 1/2 tonne trucks
03-01-2017, 10:33 AM
#40
Member
This^^^
It is a strange problem and as I said not all MTO locations or guys are enforcing this yet. Enforcement seems to be growing so I would be very wary of a 1 ton if I did not need one. For my buddy, he is now stuck and must consider whether to get the yearly done or sell the truck and move to a 3/4 ton.
As for a different sticker, never heard of that but same problem as registering below the GVWR. if you do get pulled over towing a load that exceeds your registration, you are subject to commercial laws at that point and may be in for a hefty fine. Not fun at all.
It is a strange problem and as I said not all MTO locations or guys are enforcing this yet. Enforcement seems to be growing so I would be very wary of a 1 ton if I did not need one. For my buddy, he is now stuck and must consider whether to get the yearly done or sell the truck and move to a 3/4 ton.
As for a different sticker, never heard of that but same problem as registering below the GVWR. if you do get pulled over towing a load that exceeds your registration, you are subject to commercial laws at that point and may be in for a hefty fine. Not fun at all.
This information is inaccurate and dated. In Ontario in 2017, pickups, including F250/350/450's not used for commercial purposes will be exempt from the Commercial Vehicle requirements in Ontario. The "buddy" may have been using his vehicle part-time for commercial purposes which does complicate the issue, but as long as you are using full-time for non-commercial purposes, these provisions will not apply. Anybody who wants to verify this for themselves can check out the definition of "Commercial Vehicle" under the Ontario Regulations: https://www.ontario.ca/laws/regulation/150419