TylerF150

I beg to differ. I know for a fact that any f150 cannot pull what a 02 f350 can pull. I have a 99 f350 that pulls my gooseneck living quarters/3 horse slant and it weighs the *** end down pretty good on the 350 and it also struggles sometimes to keep that trailer going 65 even with a manual trans and a tuner. No f150 would last more than 20k miles pulling that trailer

And let it be known I'm not trying to argue or start a pissing match I'm just giving my opinion

jml79

I don't disagree. The F150's can't haul goose necks and fifth's as well but when it comes to bumper tow, the old 350 was rated at 12,500 lbs and an EB is rated at 11,300lbs.

I'm just pointing out that a modern F150 can be used for jobs that old wisdom would say you had to have an F250 for before. In 2002 the highest rated screw 4x4 could only tow 7600 lbs. That's why back then I used an F350 to pull heavy trailers. Now my 5.0 can tow over 9000lbs and I tow my 8000lbs stock trailer just fine with an F150. The EB would likely do it even better.

No pissing match, just the numbers in the case of BP trailers say a well equipped 2012 F150 with a good WD hitch can do almost as much as a 2002 F350 Diesel. Bed campers, goosenecks and fifths are a different story.

TylerF150

Bumper pull, your right. I misunderstood what you were trying to say.

smokeywren

HD payload pkg not available on the FX4. You need the HD payload pkg for any TT over about 7,000 pounds or for even the smallest fifth wheel or gooseneck trailer. So instead of FX4, order the XLT 4x4 or the Lariat 4x4 with the HD payload pkg. Then you're good to go with a TT up to about 10,000 pounds GVWR, or a 5er up to a GVWR of about 8,000 pounds.

No.

2002 F-350 SRW diesel had GCWR of 20,000 pounds. 2012 F-150 EcoBoost with HD payload and max tow pkg has 17,100. That's quite a difference in pulling power.

Both are limited by GVWR. The 2002 F-350 SRW had GVWR of 9,900 pounds, and the new F-150 with HD payload pkg has GVWR of 8,400.

But the real comparison is to the ordinary new F-250 diesel vs. the new F-150 EcoBoost with both max tow and HD Payload pkgs.

GVWR 11,500 vs. 8,400. GCWR 23,000 vs 17,100.

In the real world, the maxed-out F-150 can tow a TT up to about 10,000 pounds without being overloaded over any of Ford's weight limits. But the F-250 diesel can raise that to a TT weighing up to around 14,000 pounds.

Any 5er grossing more than about 8,000 pounds will overload the maxed out F-150, while the F-250 diesel can go on up to over 14,000 pounds 5er. That's a big difference.

But that's only with the F-150 Ecoboost with both the max tow and the HD payload pkgs. Most F-150s cannot tow nearly that much trailer without being overloaded.

For example, my TT weighs less than 5,000 pounds, wet and loaded on the road. And yet with just Darling Wife and me and two dogs in the cab, my EcoBoost pickup is overloaded over the GVWR of the tow vehicle.

Rules of thumb for new F-150 EcoBoost:

Without Max Tow or HD Payload pkg, no more than 5,000 pounds gross trailer weight with TT. (Ignore the tow ratings. You don't have enough payload capacity to haul the hitch weight of a heavier trailer.)

With max tow but without HD payload (3.73 e-locker diff) no more than 8,000 pounds gross TT weight.

With both max tow and HD payload (3.73 limited-slip diff) no more than about 10,000 pounds TT or 8,000 pounds 5er.

jml79

I was not trying to compare the new 250 to the new 150. The new 250 is far more capable then than a 150. I am only trying to point out that a maxed out F150 can do a lot more now than they used to and that sometimes the automatic assumption that you need an F250 for a job is not always right. You said it yourself, a 10,000 lb trailer can comfortably be towed by an F150. A few years ago that was not even a consideration.

I do disagree with your rules of thumb. My non-HD, non-max tow 5.0 is comfortable up to about 8000lb and is GCWR limited. I run out of GCWR before I run out of GVWR. A well balanced twin axle 9100 lb trailer should have a tongue weight of 910lb plus about 60 lb for the hitch and that still gives me over 600 lb of load for people in the truck. But I only have a little over 200 lb before I max out the GCWR.

I understand that there may be situations where a 5000 lb trailer is very tongue heavy but I don't think that is the norm and saying that you should assume that your tongue weight is that high and never tow over 5000 lb with a normal F150 is a bit over kill. Properly equipped and balanced i think 8000lb is realistic with any F150 with 145" wheelbase or longer, An EB with 3.55 or 3.73 or a 5.0 with 3.73.

But I digress, we are off topic. To the OP, it is still my opinion that an F150 EB with HD package would do what you need but of course an F250 would do more. I do have to wonder if the longer 157" wheelbase would help you.

RedOne

Yes, these trucks are very capable if optioned out right. Mine runs down the road just fine...trailer max is at 10k#...we only have about 8500# total.

behlerj

I have a 2011 5.0 V8 and am towing a trailer weighing 8200 lbs. the specs state 9500 lbs. My first year towing. Somewhere along the line I was told to keep the weight of the trailer @ 10% less than the specs. This has worked for me so far no problem. Also, I would consider where you are going. The ecoboast would probably work OK if flat or medium hills. Not sure how it would preform on steep mountains with the (maximum) 10000 lbs load.

Good luck.....

feifel

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Hd payload package is an fx4 option I own one

IronJoce

What...? Please post pictures we all want to see this.

Cheers

smokeywren

Per the 2011, 2012, and 2013 F-150 order guides for the USA, HD Payload pkg was not available with FX4 trim. Are you in Canada or somewhere else outside the USA?

The HD Payload pkg has been available since the '97 model year for some trim lines in the USA. For '97 thru '99 model years it was badged F-250 and Ford called it the F-250 LD (light duty) as compared to the '97 Heavy Duty and '99 SuperDuty. But badging an F-150 as an F-250 just confused the troops, so Ford stopped that nonsense for the Y2K model year and since then has just called it the F-150 with HD payload pkg.