atvtinker

Looking at the 2013 payload spec sheet he probably does have the HD payload package, but the only thing is that he bought a Lariat and the HD payload drops down 800# because of all the added equipment of the Lariat package. The only thing I question about the wheels is did he get LT tires on those 20"s? Seems like they are only putting P metric tires on those I guess because the payload is so much less. As far as the specs go for his truck you can't just go by the payload spec sheet they have online that just catagorizes it by body style you have to build the truck to get the proper payload spec. As soon as you put in the Lariat package it drops the payload down to 1660#. That's one of the reasons I didn't order my truck as a Lariat and ordered an XLT instead to get the 2620# payload.

EcoboostKev

As far as i knew the HD pkg came with 17" wheels with 7 lugs. There was no HD Pkg that came with 20" wheels. I have the 20" wheels on my fully loaded FX4 with the Max tow package and my payload is 1700lbs, about 70lbs less then the OP's. I'm figuring the 70lbs difference between our trucks is because mine is a 4x4.

ecobeest

Maybe, I've missed it in the thread, but the answer to HD payload or not could be answered by looking at the yellow door jam sticker.

It seems to me that you've already made up your mind on this paritcular trailer and are trying to justify it. The bottom line is that it's your truck, it's your decision. We can't make it for you, we can only offer advice based on the numbers. To that end, based on the numbers I stand by my statement that this trailer is too much for your truck. Will your truck explode and meltdown, no. Will it be a white knuckle experience, debatable, but I do believe that towing this trailer with your truck will not be as pleasant as towing should be. I can also say that I believe if you go this route you will be visiting your local dealership within a year or so for a truck upgrade, which will cost you dearly.

Don't get me wrong I am NOT trying to jump on you or be harsh. I am simply giving my opinion based on my experience. I wish you the best no matter what decision you make.

smokeywren

I don't know which "build sheet" you're talking about, but it's wrong. HD Payload pkg has 17" load range E tires, and GVWR of 8,200 pounds. So you have max tow but not HD payload. With your GVWR of only 7,550, you're probably going to be severely overloaded with that trailer.

With available payload of 1781# and GVWR of 7550#, Ford assumes your wet and loaded F-150 will weigh 5,769#. But when you load up with people, tools, shank and ball mount for your WD hitch, plus other options such a bed rug or spray-in bedliner, and with a full tank of gas, your wet and loaded F-150 is going to weigh a heck of a lot more than 5,769. Count on at least 6,200. (Only the CAT scale knows for sure, so load up the truck, go to a truckstop with a truck scale, fill up with gas, and weigh the wet and loaded F-150.) 7,550 minus 6200 = max hitch weight of 1,350 pounds.

A TT with normal 12.5% or 1,350 pounds hitch weight will weigh around 10,800 pounds max. If it's like mine with 15% hitch weight the max trailer you can tow is about 9,000 pounds. That JT340FLR trailer has 16% dry hitch weight, so you should count on about that percentage as you add weight to the trailer. 16% tongue weight and a max of 1,350 tongue weight is a TT that weighs less than 8,438.

Using the factory "dry" weight for estimating the wet and loaded weight of the TT is dumb. It will weigh a lot more than that when wet and loaded for the road. The Open Range JT350FLR has a GVWR of 11,995 pounds and a "dry" hitch weight of 1,445. http://www.openrangerv.com/journeyer/floorplans.php

So even with the dry hitch weight, you're going to be overloaded. But nobody tows a dry trailer. For purposes of estimating a match of trailer and tow vehicle, use the GVWR of the trailer as the gross trailer weight (GTW) and at least 12.5% of the GVWR as the probable wet and loaded tongue weight. 12.5% of 11,995 = 1500 pounds.

6200 pounds minimum truck weight plus 1500 pounds minimum tongue weight = 7700 pounds. So unless you don't have any passengers in the F-150, you're probably going to be overloaded with that trailer.

If you had skipped those 20" tires/wheels and ordered the 3.73 LS axle, you could have ordered a Lariat SuperCrew with both max tow and HD Payload packages, and have 8,200 GVWR. But you didn't, so you don't. If it were me, I'd be standing on the desk of my Ford salesman, screaming and hollering until they delivered the truck with HD Payload pkg. But then it wouldn't have those 20" wheels.

atvtinker

You're right EcoboostKev. When I plugged in everything he had listed on his truck on the website, it kicked the payload back to just Max Tow as soon as you put the 20" wheels in. So he doesn't have HD payload. I would be fighting mad if the dealership ordered the truck this way and they didn't catch it. I would take it back or start finding a lot smaller trailer than probably even he wanted so that it would be able to tow it safely.

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