Researching before buying!
#21
Senior Member
Thanks all,
Box size is 30'2"
With hitch is 33'3"
Total UVW dry is 6430
Dry with w/standard equipment 5765
Hitch 665 LBS
GVWR 9250
Approx gross cargo carrying capacity 2820
I also think I have changed how I would use this...I am thinking instead of pulling it all over the place, just find a few local spots and just leave it. I could go there on my days off all the time.
So the ultimate question...if I pull this, will my truck explode and kill everyone within a ten mile radius? Of course the owner of this place drives a 2012 EB Platinum and said no problem, just pack the trailer light and nothing in the truck but bodies. This would be easy to do if the trailer is local... Plus I am not filling the tanks...I want a full service camp ground! Lol!
Box size is 30'2"
With hitch is 33'3"
Total UVW dry is 6430
Dry with w/standard equipment 5765
Hitch 665 LBS
GVWR 9250
Approx gross cargo carrying capacity 2820
I also think I have changed how I would use this...I am thinking instead of pulling it all over the place, just find a few local spots and just leave it. I could go there on my days off all the time.
So the ultimate question...if I pull this, will my truck explode and kill everyone within a ten mile radius? Of course the owner of this place drives a 2012 EB Platinum and said no problem, just pack the trailer light and nothing in the truck but bodies. This would be easy to do if the trailer is local... Plus I am not filling the tanks...I want a full service camp ground! Lol!
#22
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Ok, I have been convinced...that big heavy trailer is out. Now I am back to the original 2 Jayco's and I just picked up a brochure for they Passport ultra light by Keystone and the trailer that has me interested is the Elite 28BH. It has a dry weight of 5635 and a carry capacity of 1965 with a hitch weight of 625. By the pics and video on the web, this looks like a very nice trailer! It has the double bunks that I need and one slide.
So next question, how does this Keystone Passport compare to the Jayco White Hawk 28DSBH in terms of build quality? They are so close in dimensions and floor plans...
Again thanks all!
So next question, how does this Keystone Passport compare to the Jayco White Hawk 28DSBH in terms of build quality? They are so close in dimensions and floor plans...
Again thanks all!
#23
The post your sales man doesn't want you to see. The absolute best advice I can give you that I haven't seen anyone else say is this. Hold off on buying a trailer, if you and the family have never camped (that's what it sounds like) go rent a trailer for a weekend or two and get a taste before you drop that kind of coin. Experience the hobby even if you are not crazy about the trailer you rent just see if your girls enjoy the experience. I am no expert but given their age it may wear out quickly. Don't get me wrong I love camping and own a toy hauler, but I know too many people that bought a trailer owned it for a year then got frustrated when they couldn't come close to getting their money back out of it when they decided it wasn't for them. That being said good luck ,have fun ,and I send my condolences for your families recent loss.
#24
I have a Keystone Springdale 267bhss, I chose this one over the Jaco 267bhs because it has a bigger slide, I liked the layout better and it was a bit shorter over all, "I had a limit on the length to fit in my driveway" but overall the builds quality is very similar. And as for the weight not much different there, Springdale is 5830 dry and 730 hitch and the Jaco was 5600 dry and 635 hitch, but I also got 2-30 lbs bottles and 2-6volt batteries. So far I am very happy with my trailer and not to mention it tows really nice with the f150 5.0 SC, best advice is to go actually look at then in person and even take a camera to compare the builds for yourself, compare pros and cons to both and then go with what your gut tells you. Everyone can say one trailer is better then the other or that one is nicer, or what ever, but in the end your the one sleeping in it.
Good luck on your search and not matter what you but you will enjoy it.
Good luck on your search and not matter what you but you will enjoy it.
#25
Senior Member
Thread Starter
The post your sales man doesn't want you to see. The absolute best advice I can give you that I haven't seen anyone else say is this. Hold off on buying a trailer, if you and the family have never camped (that's what it sounds like) go rent a trailer for a weekend or two and get a taste before you drop that kind of coin. Experience the hobby even if you are not crazy about the trailer you rent just see if your girls enjoy the experience. I am no expert but given their age it may wear out quickly. Don't get me wrong I love camping and own a toy hauler, but I know too many people that bought a trailer owned it for a year then got frustrated when they couldn't come close to getting their money back out of it when they decided it wasn't for them. That being said good luck ,have fun ,and I send my condolences for your families recent loss.
As for the shopping, Jayco is updating the White Hawk for 2014. They are addressing the low ceiling with a new arched one! They are also adding LED lights to the awning. A 32 inch tv replaces the 26 and aluminum rims are now standard. There are a few other changes but these are what interested me.
#26
I'll put in my $.02. Sorry to hear about your loss. I would agree with WLTTX, that if you have never camped, rent a camper and try it out. I tow a Sunset Trail 33BD with my 2010 F150 Lariat 5.4L 6'5" box, with an Equilizer WD hitch. I have also added Firestone Riderite airbags and will upgrade my tires to LT's soon. When picking up my trailer, I took my rig accross the scale after filling the gas tank and was about 150 lbs overweight by the door sticker. With the hitch and airbags my truck tows just fine in the flat, but would be underpowered in the hills. I have not had any problems with sway at a reasonable speed, stopping, accelerating or controllablity.
Happy Camping
Happy Camping
#27
Senior Member
Thread Starter
I'll put in my $.02. Sorry to hear about your loss. I would agree with WLTTX, that if you have never camped, rent a camper and try it out. I tow a Sunset Trail 33BD with my 2010 F150 Lariat 5.4L 6'5" box, with an Equilizer WD hitch. I have also added Firestone Riderite airbags and will upgrade my tires to LT's soon. When picking up my trailer, I took my rig accross the scale after filling the gas tank and was about 150 lbs overweight by the door sticker. With the hitch and airbags my truck tows just fine in the flat, but would be underpowered in the hills. I have not had any problems with sway at a reasonable speed, stopping, accelerating or controllablity.
Happy Camping
Happy Camping
And heavy! 7800 dry and 9600 wet with a hitch of 818...that is awesome the you were only 150 over! I have to look at much smaller/lighter trailers :-(
#28
Senior Member
He prolly doesn't have a Platinum with all the extras. The Plats are not really Work Horses, more like Show Horses.
#29
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Done deal!
Big update to this old thread
I am now the owner of a 2015 Holiday Rambler "Traveler" 27BHS
I followed the advice of many here and kept the weight down....
It is 4695 dry but more important, GVWR of 7700. It is 30.5 long including the hitch...speaking of hitch, I went with the top model Reese dual cam. I should be picking it up the 2nd or 3rd week of April.
I have already installed the RAS active suspension so that should help a bit.
The floor plan is the ever so popular rear full size bunk house. Took the girls to see it and they were quite excited
While I liked the Jayco White Hawk a lot, it was small things that won me over to the Holiday Rambler...
1, the Holiday Rambler dealer came very highly recommended
2, stairs to the top bunk was built in
3, AC power outlets at each bunk...girls want to charge iPads/iPhones
3, preferred the darker color...thinking it will show less dirt
4, had power jacks
The price was a bit more but it just "felt" higher end.
Camper $24,600
Dual cam hitch $599
I am now the owner of a 2015 Holiday Rambler "Traveler" 27BHS
I followed the advice of many here and kept the weight down....
It is 4695 dry but more important, GVWR of 7700. It is 30.5 long including the hitch...speaking of hitch, I went with the top model Reese dual cam. I should be picking it up the 2nd or 3rd week of April.
I have already installed the RAS active suspension so that should help a bit.
The floor plan is the ever so popular rear full size bunk house. Took the girls to see it and they were quite excited
While I liked the Jayco White Hawk a lot, it was small things that won me over to the Holiday Rambler...
1, the Holiday Rambler dealer came very highly recommended
2, stairs to the top bunk was built in
3, AC power outlets at each bunk...girls want to charge iPads/iPhones
3, preferred the darker color...thinking it will show less dirt
4, had power jacks
The price was a bit more but it just "felt" higher end.
Camper $24,600
Dual cam hitch $599
Last edited by Cleanmaxx Brian; 03-21-2014 at 08:44 PM.
#30
Big update to this old thread
I am now the owner of a 2015 Holiday Rambler "Traveler" 27BHS
I followed the advice of many here and kept the weight down....
It is 4695 dry but more important, GVWR of 7700. It is 30.5 long including the hitch...speaking of hitch, I went with the top model Reese dual cam. I should be picking it up the 2nd or 3rd week of April.
I have already installed the RAS active suspension so that should help a bit.
The floor plan is the ever so popular rear full size bunk house. Took the girls to see it and they were quite excited
While I liked the Jayco White Hawk a lot, it was small things that won me over to the Holiday Rambler...
1, the Holiday Rambler dealer came very highly recommended
2, stairs to the top bunk was built in
3, AC power outlets at each bunk...girls want to charge iPads/iPhones
3, preferred the darker color...thinking it will show less dirt
4, had power jacks
The price was a bit more but it just "felt" higher end.
Camper $24,600
Dual cam hitch $599
I am now the owner of a 2015 Holiday Rambler "Traveler" 27BHS
I followed the advice of many here and kept the weight down....
It is 4695 dry but more important, GVWR of 7700. It is 30.5 long including the hitch...speaking of hitch, I went with the top model Reese dual cam. I should be picking it up the 2nd or 3rd week of April.
I have already installed the RAS active suspension so that should help a bit.
The floor plan is the ever so popular rear full size bunk house. Took the girls to see it and they were quite excited
While I liked the Jayco White Hawk a lot, it was small things that won me over to the Holiday Rambler...
1, the Holiday Rambler dealer came very highly recommended
2, stairs to the top bunk was built in
3, AC power outlets at each bunk...girls want to charge iPads/iPhones
3, preferred the darker color...thinking it will show less dirt
4, had power jacks
The price was a bit more but it just "felt" higher end.
Camper $24,600
Dual cam hitch $599
Congrats on the purchase, and just as importantly- I commend you for what you are doing for those girls. These are going to be "forever" memories for them.
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