Payload Increase Question
#21
Senior Member
Ford has said that 33 is a typo, and that 36 is correct. I cited this in another post.
#22
Grumpy Old Man
Not a separate charge, but included in the cost of the 4x4 option for 2012 thru 2014 models - except the regular cab shorty 4x4. Does High School Harry still talk his daddy into buying him a new regular cab shorty pickup?
But for 2015 models, Ford apparently changed the rules. It looks like from the 2015 F-150 Order Guide that a 33 gallon tank is an option on all F-150s and is not standard on any. But I wonder why they reduced it from 36 gallons for 2014 to 33 gallons for 2015? I suspect Ricktwuhk is right and it should be 36.
Last edited by smokeywren; 11-28-2014 at 10:29 AM.
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Marcusjolaine (11-28-2014)
#24
So, I've been to 7 RV dealerships in my local area (Central Ohio)looking for a TT and I've discussed payload ratings with each of them. 6 out of 7 said not to worry about payload and that I need to be concerned with tow rating as a WD hitch will move ALL of the tongue weight back to the trailer. I asked if this would cause the trailer to be sway prone and each said that the sway bars on the hitch would compensate for that.
I discussed the legality of being over payload if we were pulled over and everyone stated that only commercial vehicles are pulled over and checked for that sort of thing.
The one that did believe as I do about the payload and that the WD hitch only moves a portion back to the trailer was Tom Raper in Richmond, IN. Unfortunately, they didn't have a TT that fit our needs, layout and budget.
I understand that they are all trying to sell things to consumers but I find it hard to believe that all of these RV dealerships are misinformed about how WD hitches work and whether or not to adhere to payload restrictions. It makes me wonder what percentage of haulers out there have any idea of their weight and balance.
I discussed the legality of being over payload if we were pulled over and everyone stated that only commercial vehicles are pulled over and checked for that sort of thing.
The one that did believe as I do about the payload and that the WD hitch only moves a portion back to the trailer was Tom Raper in Richmond, IN. Unfortunately, they didn't have a TT that fit our needs, layout and budget.
I understand that they are all trying to sell things to consumers but I find it hard to believe that all of these RV dealerships are misinformed about how WD hitches work and whether or not to adhere to payload restrictions. It makes me wonder what percentage of haulers out there have any idea of their weight and balance.
#25
Extreme DIY Homeowner
Caveat Emptor - Buyer beware
They are Salesman....same as a car salesman, but maybe worse
I'm doing my research before I even talk to a salesman
At this point I'm probably leaning towards a pop-up
That way if the wife decides she doesn't want to camp we aren't out that much $$
Then me & the kid can still go camping
They are Salesman....same as a car salesman, but maybe worse
I'm doing my research before I even talk to a salesman
At this point I'm probably leaning towards a pop-up
That way if the wife decides she doesn't want to camp we aren't out that much $$
Then me & the kid can still go camping
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Ricktwuhk (12-05-2014)
#26
Senior Member
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I understand that they are all trying to sell things to consumers but I find it hard to believe that all of these RV dealerships are misinformed about how WD hitches work and whether or not to adhere to payload restrictions. It makes me wonder what percentage of haulers out there have any idea of their weight and balance.
I understand that they are all trying to sell things to consumers but I find it hard to believe that all of these RV dealerships are misinformed about how WD hitches work and whether or not to adhere to payload restrictions. It makes me wonder what percentage of haulers out there have any idea of their weight and balance.
Incredible isn't it?
#27
Grumpy Old Man
Finding 6-lug wheels that have enough weight capacity for load range E tires might be a problem. The 7-lug wheels from Feathermerchant's pickup won't fit the 6-lug hubs on F-150s that don't have the HD Payload pkg. Of course, you can change out the hubs to get the 7-lug hubs, then buy 7-lug wheels to fit, but that's an expensive patch that seems a bit much.
And even if you went to all that expense, you'd still be stuck with an F-150 frame.
Standard 17" and 18" 6-lug wheels on F-150s have weight capacity of 2025 pounds. Mounting LT265/65R18E tires with 3,305 weight capacity is a waste of money if you load them with only 2025 pounds so you don't gamble on wheel failure.
The 8-lug wheels from an F-250 would work if you can figure out a way to change the hubs out to 8-lug hubs. Will F-250 hubs fit on F-150 axles? I don't know, but I doubt it.
I still advise that if you don't have "enuff truck" to tow your trailer without exceeding any of Ford's weight ratings, then trade trucks, Don't try to be a chassis engineer and modify your F-150 to tow a trailer that needs an F-250. Unless of course, you have your PE certification in chassis engineering.
Last edited by smokeywren; 11-29-2014 at 10:27 AM.
#28
Senior Member
Why I capitalized THICKER FRAME. Mine is 1/8" thick making it stronger to support the payload. Also makes it stiffer. The ride is quite good.
Scuba Dave - If you are doing 'experimental' camping you might consider renting or buying a used camper. Renting, you can try out different sizes, mfrs, etc. Buying used can save you a lot of $.
Scuba Dave - If you are doing 'experimental' camping you might consider renting or buying a used camper. Renting, you can try out different sizes, mfrs, etc. Buying used can save you a lot of $.
#29
Senior Member
As we've discussed elsewhere, payload is determined by GVWR and we all know that is a marketing game with Ford. A couple hundred pounds over isn't an issue.
#30
Extreme DIY Homeowner
New might be a waster of $$...if wife decides she likes (or is OK) camping she will probably want something bigger
My brother has a 36' RV, they've been camping for years
We have been camping in a tent -but only for a weekend & before child