opinions on the Ecoboost and towing
#11
Senior Member
That's a lot of trailer for an F150. You might be well within the 'trailer rating,' but it will be difficult to stay inside the payload and other numbers, I suspect.
But if you're towing it with your '10, I suspect you'd see a big improvement w/ the EB. I've towed my travel trailer (28', 6000k lbs loaded) with a couple GM 5.3's, a Duramax, and now my EB. I really like towing with the EB -- the experience towing w/ the EB is a lot closer to the Duramax than it is to the 5.3's. The EB holds gears so nicely, has great power and doesn't run for the redline at the slightest hint of a hill. Note -- I'm not saying the EB can out-tow a Duramax (or other modern diesel), but towing 6k lbs, the experience is similar to how the diesel did the job.
That said, the overall setup doesn't feel as smooth or controlled as the 2500HD platform was. I don't feel unsafe, but I know the trailer is back there when pulling with a half-ton. Any bigger trailer, and I'll be headed back to 3/4 or 1 ton trucks.
But if you're towing it with your '10, I suspect you'd see a big improvement w/ the EB. I've towed my travel trailer (28', 6000k lbs loaded) with a couple GM 5.3's, a Duramax, and now my EB. I really like towing with the EB -- the experience towing w/ the EB is a lot closer to the Duramax than it is to the 5.3's. The EB holds gears so nicely, has great power and doesn't run for the redline at the slightest hint of a hill. Note -- I'm not saying the EB can out-tow a Duramax (or other modern diesel), but towing 6k lbs, the experience is similar to how the diesel did the job.
That said, the overall setup doesn't feel as smooth or controlled as the 2500HD platform was. I don't feel unsafe, but I know the trailer is back there when pulling with a half-ton. Any bigger trailer, and I'll be headed back to 3/4 or 1 ton trucks.
#12
Grandpa's big Blue Truck
I tow a 34' 8500# tt and my truck( 2011 F150 4X4 screw eb max tow ) pulls it great but I only pull it 2 or 3 times a year , 1000 mi trips lots of hills but no mountains . It's a great dd, pulls good , handles the tt great .If I were to get a bigger trailer or pull this one a lot more I would go with a F350 6.7
#13
Senior Member
As much as i love my truck and would recommend the Ecoboost to anyone that wants to tow. I agree with the others that a diesel Superduty would be a better match for your trailer. As impressive as the Ecoboost is. You would be much happier with the diesel Superduty.
#14
Hey everyone, New guy here with my first post. I've owned a ton of Fords, specifically the F150. To be exact, I've had a 95, 99, 2000, 2004, 2006 and now a 2010 with a 5.4. I'm getting ready to get another truck and am thinking of getting the Ecoboost but am a bit leary. I pull a 31' travel trailer that weighs around 9,000# fully loaded. I know the Ecoboost claims to pull 11,000# but the V6 just goes against everything we've ever been told for the last 40 years when going up against a V8, even though the HP and Torque ratings are higher than what is listed for my 2010. It seems like half the people I talk to say go with the Ecoboost that I won't be disappointed and the other half say to run. What has been your experience with pulling that much weight with the Ecoboost? I had toyed between either the Ecoboost or going with an F250 diesel. Thanks in advance and I look forward to reading the responses.
I, like you, was reluctant to go with the Ecoboost. The 5.0L has been great towing.
However, if you're towing 9000 lbs, your travel trailer tongue weight is going to exceed even the Max Tow package's hitch reciever rating of 1,150 lbs. The "average" tongue weight of a dual axle travel trailer properly loaded is around 13%. That puts you at 1170 lbs right there.
Personally, I'd look into a F250 6.2L w/4.30 locker or Diesel. You will get LT tires and a more robust suspension to help handle and control that trailer weight, and get a higher rated hitch reciever for that heavier tongue weight.
Last edited by Mike Up; 06-04-2014 at 09:48 PM.
#15
Last edited by Mike Up; 06-04-2014 at 09:48 PM.
#16
That's a lot of trailer for an F150. You might be well within the 'trailer rating,' but it will be difficult to stay inside the payload and other numbers, I suspect.
But if you're towing it with your '10, I suspect you'd see a big improvement w/ the EB. I've towed my travel trailer (28', 6000k lbs loaded) with a couple GM 5.3's, a Duramax, and now my EB. I really like towing with the EB -- the experience towing w/ the EB is a lot closer to the Duramax than it is to the 5.3's. The EB holds gears so nicely, has great power and doesn't run for the redline at the slightest hint of a hill. Note -- I'm not saying the EB can out-tow a Duramax (or other modern diesel), but towing 6k lbs, the experience is similar to how the diesel did the job.
That said, the overall setup doesn't feel as smooth or controlled as the 2500HD platform was. I don't feel unsafe, but I know the trailer is back there when pulling with a half-ton. Any bigger trailer, and I'll be headed back to 3/4 or 1 ton trucks.
But if you're towing it with your '10, I suspect you'd see a big improvement w/ the EB. I've towed my travel trailer (28', 6000k lbs loaded) with a couple GM 5.3's, a Duramax, and now my EB. I really like towing with the EB -- the experience towing w/ the EB is a lot closer to the Duramax than it is to the 5.3's. The EB holds gears so nicely, has great power and doesn't run for the redline at the slightest hint of a hill. Note -- I'm not saying the EB can out-tow a Duramax (or other modern diesel), but towing 6k lbs, the experience is similar to how the diesel did the job.
That said, the overall setup doesn't feel as smooth or controlled as the 2500HD platform was. I don't feel unsafe, but I know the trailer is back there when pulling with a half-ton. Any bigger trailer, and I'll be headed back to 3/4 or 1 ton trucks.
Last edited by Mike Up; 06-04-2014 at 09:50 PM.
#17
Senior Member
The 5.0L is a great choice as preferred by many. It's a preference with what you want. Both the 5.0L and Ecoboost will pull it fine. With that weight, a F250 would be the better choice for handling and control, and hitch rating.
Op, will a z5.0 pull it - yes. Will a 6.2 or ecoboost outclass the 5.0 -yup all day long. So you can get a 5.0 an try and post to defend it, or get the far better engine for towing.
Last edited by ymeski56; 06-05-2014 at 11:23 PM.
#18
Senior Member
I don't think you could compare a GM 5.3L towing experience with anything other than a 4.6L 3V Ford. The 5.3L GM is coupled to an inferior 3.42 axle and the 5.3L puts out a pathetic 335 lbs of torque at 4000 rpm. This motor is torque deprived already, then is paired with an axle that further negates torque. The 5.4L Ford is so much better than the 5.3L GM. Has much more torque and is geared much better. After towing with a 5.3L, it would drive anyone to a diesel. Seen it happen first hand.
My point was more that all of the small block V-8s are going to have to rev to get to the meat of their powerband when towing. 5.0, 5.4, 6.2 are not excluded from this. That means a lot of going down the road in 4th gear at 2800 or 3000 rpms. It isn't a problem, really -- we've done it for thousands of miles in our Suburbans. But just a matter of preference.
Since the Ecoboost makes so much torque at just 1800 rpms, it doesn't have to rev so much to get the job done, so it can settle in to 6th gear on flat ground and doesn't have to downshift nearly as much. Which makes the experience more 'diesel-like' compared to the naturally aspirated V8s.
I don't think there is a good or bad -- it is just a matter of what you like better. I prefer 6th gear and 1800 rpms when towing if I can get it, which is why I went with an EB.
#19
Senior Member
This year I traded my 2008 F-250 PSD for a 2012 Max tow, HD package, EB.
My first tow convinced me the EB tows like a smaller Diesel.
(and that ain't bad)
Note it ain't a 250. Doesn't have the weight, payload potential of a 250.
I treat mine like the supped up EB it is. Towing 8,500# is nothing.
I still accelerate going up mountains while towing.
I enjoy good gas mileage when I stay off the BOOST.
Towing I average 10-12 MPG. Maybe not the best, but it's doing what I want, with what I have.
I love the sound of the 5.0 motor, but I didn't buy my truck for the sound.
I wanted an every day truck that I can hook up to my trailer and head for the mountains.
IT'S ALL IN WHAT YOU WANT.
My first tow convinced me the EB tows like a smaller Diesel.
(and that ain't bad)
Note it ain't a 250. Doesn't have the weight, payload potential of a 250.
I treat mine like the supped up EB it is. Towing 8,500# is nothing.
I still accelerate going up mountains while towing.
I enjoy good gas mileage when I stay off the BOOST.
Towing I average 10-12 MPG. Maybe not the best, but it's doing what I want, with what I have.
I love the sound of the 5.0 motor, but I didn't buy my truck for the sound.
I wanted an every day truck that I can hook up to my trailer and head for the mountains.
IT'S ALL IN WHAT YOU WANT.
#20
Preferred to have less power and rev to make something move? Um ok. Your 5.0 is better tha your 5.4 in large part because of your gears. The 5.0 needs gears to be able to move a load, unlike the othe engine choices.
Op, will a z5.0 pull it - yes. Will a 6.2 or ecoboost outclass the 5.0 -yup all day long. So you can get a 5.0 an try and post to defend it, or get the far better engine for towing.
Op, will a z5.0 pull it - yes. Will a 6.2 or ecoboost outclass the 5.0 -yup all day long. So you can get a 5.0 an try and post to defend it, or get the far better engine for towing.
There's several advantages of the 5.0L while towing, but that's another thread. Pickuptrucks.com stated that they'd choose the 5.0L.
Last edited by ymeski56; 06-05-2014 at 11:24 PM.