New F-150, towing capacity (rated and actual)
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This is the exact one we are looking at http://apps.dealerconnection.com/dea...erPACode=20700
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But you cannot ignore hitch weight. A travel trailer will have 12% to 15% hitch weight. So for an 8,000 pound TT that would be 960 to 1,200 pounds hitch weight. Assume 15 percent to be sure you don't wind up overloaded.
6,000 pounds is someone's wet dream for the weight of an F-150 4x4 SuperCrew EcoBoost wet and loaded for the road ready to tow a TT. Only the CAT scale knows for sure, but add at least 600 pounds for passengers, tools, bedliner, and other stuff you'll haul in the tow vehicle.
6,600 pounds for the wet and loaded truck subtracted from the 7,200 GVWR leaves a max of 600 pounds hitch weight. So if your TT has a wet and loaded hitch weight of 1,200 pounds, you're going to be overloaded by at least 600 pounds over the GVWR of the tow vehicle.
So forget that truck. Find one with at least the max tow pkg. The GVWR goes up to 7,700 pounds. You'll probably still be overloaded, but not by much.
Max tow pkg requires EcoBoost engine and 3.73 axle ratio, but you can choose the 3.73 E-Locker axle. The max tow pkg includes telescoping trailer tow mirrors as well as the integrated trailer brake controller (ITBC) and everything that's in the regular trailer tow pkg, including the tranny cooler, bigger radiator, receiver hitch, and wiring harness with trailer plug.
But if you're smart, you'll order the truck instead of trying to find one on a dealer's lot, so you can get one with the HD Payload Pkg as well as Max Tow Pkg. That one has a GVWR of 8,200 pounds, which is plenty for an 8,000-pound trailer, and could probably handle the hitch weight of a 10,000 pound TT. And the GCWR is 17,100 with tow rating is over 11,000 pounds, so with a 10,000 pound TT, no problem being the slowpoke in the right lane holding up traffic when you climb a hill.
Downside of the HD Payload pkg? Requires 3.73 limited slip axle (not e-locker), and comes with 7-lug 17" wheels which cannot be changed out for something different. Tires are 17" LT load range E.
Last edited by smokeywren; 02-10-2013 at 09:14 PM.
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ArcticGabe (01-07-2014)
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Short numbers: Max trailer GVWR = remaining truck payload divide by 12.5% (standard tongue weight %) or for more safety use 15%.
Normal setup 150 SCrew with 4 people and some gear = 6600lbs on a 7200 GVWR truck leaves 600lbs payload. 600lbs payload would leave you with a trailer GVWR of 4800lb @ 12.5% tongue weight.
Weight your truck load to go and then determine remaining payload.
Normal setup 150 SCrew with 4 people and some gear = 6600lbs on a 7200 GVWR truck leaves 600lbs payload. 600lbs payload would leave you with a trailer GVWR of 4800lb @ 12.5% tongue weight.
Weight your truck load to go and then determine remaining payload.
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My EB SCAB XLT 4X4 w/ 3.55's has a payload of 1486#. I kinda wish I'd have got the 3.73 gears, not for the gear ratio but because it gives you another 500# GVW and all on the rear axle.
If you're even *thinking* about a 5th wheel go straight to the Max Tow / Max Payload SCREW. I wouldn't even think about a 5th wheel for my truck (besides, I can't haul the canoes!)
You'll need at least the Standard tow package, else you're limited to a 5,000# trailer. You'll find on a 1/2-ton you run out of payload before you run out of tow capacity.
But if you're set on the 3.31 gearing there are lightweight trailers in the 6000-6500# gross weight class. These are aluminum framed with fiberglass covering, not the heavier "stick and tin" construction.
My old trailer probably came in at 4500-5000# loaded. The EB towed it like it wasn't even there, but you could watch the gas gauge go down. I bought a bigger trailer but haven't picked it up yet. But I don't expect any issues, it's empty weight is 4500# and gross is 6900#.
If you're even *thinking* about a 5th wheel go straight to the Max Tow / Max Payload SCREW. I wouldn't even think about a 5th wheel for my truck (besides, I can't haul the canoes!)
You'll need at least the Standard tow package, else you're limited to a 5,000# trailer. You'll find on a 1/2-ton you run out of payload before you run out of tow capacity.
But if you're set on the 3.31 gearing there are lightweight trailers in the 6000-6500# gross weight class. These are aluminum framed with fiberglass covering, not the heavier "stick and tin" construction.
My old trailer probably came in at 4500-5000# loaded. The EB towed it like it wasn't even there, but you could watch the gas gauge go down. I bought a bigger trailer but haven't picked it up yet. But I don't expect any issues, it's empty weight is 4500# and gross is 6900#.
OP, if your parents are serious about a camper, they really ought to look at a max tow EB...more for the additional payload than anything else.
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i have a 2013 xlt eb max tow 4wd super crew, I found a lance tt weight is in 5000 lb range and truck handles with ease, fully loaded cab with 3 adults and 2 kids. truck has no problem going up mountain passes in Arizona, or calif. Definitely get the max tow pkg. the only reason i didn't get hd pkg was that i wanted rear camera. Truck pulls like champ and has enough power to pass slower traffic.
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DO NOT ATTEMPT TO DO THE 5th WHEEL ROUTE!!! Truck is way too light for that. I had a 32' Cardinal 5th wheel several years back and pulled it with a 3/4 ton Duramax. Stick with a ultra-light travel trailer.
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smurfs_of_war (01-04-2014)
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This is a good source for towing capabilities on the f150.
http://www.ford.com/resources/ford/g...rv&tt_f150.pdf
http://www.ford.com/resources/ford/g...rv&tt_f150.pdf
So use the tow rating only as the first of your two-part formula to determine how much trailer you can tow without overloading the tow vehicle. The second part is to determine the actual weight of the wet and loaded truck with people, pets, tools, full tank of gas, options such as bed liner or bed rug, camper shell or tonneau cover. Subtract the weight of the wet and loaded pickup from the GVWR of the pickup to determine your net payload available for hitch weight. Divide that available payload for hitch weight by 15% to determine the max GVWR of any TT you should consider.You'll probably learn that you cannot tow anywhere near the tow rating without being overloaded over the GVWR of the pickup.
Example: 2012 F-150 SuperCrew 4x2 EcoBoost that has tow rating of 8,400 pounds. But I cannot tow a TT that comes even close to 8,000 pounds without exceeding the GVWR of my pickup. I'm overloaded with my TT that grosses only 4,870 pounds when wet and loaded on the road. That's with only one skinny wife, a 40-pound Border Collie, and a 40-pound toolbox in the truck, with a 200-pound camper shell on the bed. My GVWR is 7,100 pounds. I need the Max Tow Pkg which would give me 500 pounds more GVWR to not be overloaded, when towing a TT that grosses more than 4,200 pounds. With the max tow pkg, I could tow a TT that grosses up to about 7,000 pounds without being overloaded.
That's with a 4x2. 4x4s have 100 pounds more GVWR, but they weigh about 300 pounds more, so you can tow more trailer weight with a 4x2 than with a 4x4 without being overloaded.
But the Ford tow rating of my truck with the max tow pkg is over 11,000 pounds. That's a cruel joke. So I hope you don't rely on that tow rating. About 7,000 pounds trailer weight is the max with the Max Tow pkg unless you also have the HD Payload Pkg, and F-150s with the HD Payload pkg are almost as rare as hen's teeth. Even with the HD Payload Pkg you cannot tow a TT that grosses more than about 9,000 to 9,500 pounds, or nowhere near the tow rating without being overloaded.
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