Siskiyou

I guess after this information I don't have to worry about getting the heavy duty payload option. If I need a little more lift out back I'll just put some air bags on it which will give me a better ride while not towing anyway. Thanks for all the information.
Mike

11screw50

That is because you dont need the higher GVWR to get the same payload as the previous gen trucks that got the payload bump from the max tow package anymore. Your 700lb heavier truck NEEDS the 700 lb higher GVWR to have the same payload as the current gen. You act as though your truck is somehow better when you needed a special package to get the same thing I got standard.

Nice try though...

johndeerefarmer

The new generation lost up to 700 lbs but payload did not increase, or if it did it was minimal. My '13 King Ranch was nearly identically equipped to my new truck but payload only went up about 50 lbs. Since my new truck weighs 700 lbs less than my old one, payload should have went up way more than 50 lbs. Instead Ford reduced the GVWR, GAWR and gave us minimal payload gains. As was said, previously max tow also gave a bump in payload but no more. It's great to brag about 12,300 lb towing capacity but if you don't have the payload for it then why advertise it?
Ford didn't make any hd payload packages in '15 and so far none have been produced for the '16 model year. I think the reason for all of this is that Ford doesn't want to sell many trucks with the hd payload package and 3.73 because these trucks now have a separate lower EPA rating. The more of these they sell the lower their CAFE. Ford would prefer to sell Super Duties because their GVWR makes them not currently subject to CAFE standards. SD's have also been higher priced (more profit!) than the F150's and as soon as the aluminum bodied SD arrives that will be true again. If you want to be "legal" as far as heavy towing goes in most cases you will need a SD.

Feathermerchant

My 2011 HDPP has a gross weight of 8,200 lb. That is 500 lb more than today's trucks with 7,700 lb. So the truck lost 700 lb going to aluminum but Ford reduced the gross weight by 500 lb. So the most payload you can gain is 200 lb.

Velosprout

Everyone needs to make their own decisions. In 1955, even a heater was an option on most pickup trucks. I am not quite that old, but I grew up driving vehicles with manual-crank Windows and manual locks, three-speed manual column shift, and AM radio only. We had no Air Conditioning. Navigation was a glovebox full of Sinclair gas station give-away maps. I don't mind giving up some powdered-**** accessories like BLIS, massaging seats, moon roof, chrome package, Sony stereo, power running boards, etc., in order to have a more capable, longer lasting truck with a stronger frame. A Lariat HDP is well equipped with Sync 3, Nav is available, and standard running boards. Leather seats are still heated/cooled and Tow mirrors are still power fold. What other niceties does a real man really have to get?

Velosprout

I think you are looking for conspiracy that doesn't exist. It seems to me that the delay in the HDP is purely frame availability. These use a frame of the same dimensions, but with thicker steel. Since they have been behind in production since the 2015 aluminum retooling, stopping to adjust the line for manufacturing the heavier frames (suppliers) and adjusting robotics to assemble the HDP trucks is more involved, time consuming, and difficult than, say, a sport package that is purely cosmetic. Also, I could buy a 2016 F250 6.2 gas cheaper than my ordered HDP F150.

11screw50

I disagree that payloads have remained static. In some cases that may be true (going from max tow previous gen to max tow current gen with same options being one) but in most cases, payload has increased substantially.

Non-max tow/non HD payload trucks now have a GVWR 200# lower than the previous gen (at least for SCrews) but thanks to the weight savings, payload has increased. In my case, I've got a lot more options and gained over 400# payload.

As for tow ratings. Most trucks could never hit that rating unless it was a wagon type trailer anyway...and I think they are still playing around with tow ratings. No way a 5.0 with 3.55's only gains 100# more tow rating than one with 3.31's yet going from 3.55's to 3.73's gains 1800#...combine that with most dealers stocking trucks with 3.31's and 23 gal tanks and you see what they want to sell (to help their CAFE average no doubt).

Wannafbody

Max tow does give the larger front rollbar and a stronger rear bumper/receiver and possibly extra cooling capacity. Not sure that's worth the additional $2000.

Siskiyou

Here is the list of items that come with the max tow package:

Max.Trailer Tow Package (optional on all trims; required for towing up to 12,200 lbs.; requires 3.5L EcoBoost engine) includes 4-pin/7-pin wiring harness, Class IV trailer hitch receiver, Smart Trailer Tow Connector, Pro Trailer Backup Assist, auxiliary transmission oil cooler, 3.55 electronic- locking rear axle, trailer brake controller, and upgraded front stabilizer bar and rear bumper.

Mike

Wannafbody

Except some of those things can be added to the standard tow package.