johndeerefarmer

I tow a Grand Design Reflection 29rs weighs right at 9000 lbs empty and around 10k loaded with a '16 F150 with max tow. Truck has Loadlifter 5000 airbags and I run a 5 Star 91 performance/tow tune. I did not go with the hd payload for several reasons. For one Ford didn't produce one last year and so far none this year. Second, as was mentioned above I didn't want a stripped down truck with very few options.

11screw50

The dealer wanted to sell a truck. Without looking at tongue weights, there is no way the dealer could have known whether it would be fine or not. Adding airbags does not change your GVWR in any way.

Take it to a scale.

I'd love to see how that scales. There is no way that you are not exceeding GVWR and RAWR with that setup. Your payload is probably somewhere around 1600# with those options...1498# pin weight dry...

Wudwork

If you want Max Payload, you need to wait; not sure when factory will built this option. Also you need the truck to lose weight. Off comes the vibrating seat motors, electric this, automatic that ... You get the idea. So if you want the goodies, the Max Payload is not gonna happen, in a 150. In 2017, the F250 is being promoted to have the same cab internals as 2016 F150. The F250 has the extra payload stuff baked in at factory. Perhaps the 2017 F250 has the goodies as well as the larger payload ?

About the 6500# trailer, does it have dual 7500# axles ? If so, you might have some room to add more weight to those axles (stuff goes inside trailer so its on the axles, NOT the tongue). This keeps the weight off truck axles and reduces need for Max Payload. Certainly the 3.5 EB can drag it. I am looking to upgrade my trailer later this year with a 6500# dry trailer and estimate "camping ready" it will be around 7500# As long as tongue is properly loaded (10% or 750#), and truck bed is basically empty then the two of us should easily be within margins.

Velosprout

The 2017 F250 will be an option, but it will still have lower mileage when being used as a daily driver. Perhaps the aluminum body will increase gas F250 mileage from 12 up to 13 mpg, but it it won't be nearly as good as the HDP 3.5 EcoBoost F150. The F250 crew cab short bed is about 6 inches longer than the F150 SuperCrew 6 1/2 foot bed truck. Net useable payload on a loaded F250 may be less than the HDP F150 with basic options.

Siskiyou

Thanks for all the information, I tow the trailer with an '02 Silverado right now. The total payload including the two of us, tongue weight with the trailer loaded and full of water, firewood and misc. stuff in the bed with a canopy is about 1400 or 1500 pounds over the scales. I have the Silverado pretty much maxed out as far as GVW goes because it weighs 5000 lbs. and the GVW is 6400#.

acadianbob

Yep, my 2012 FX4 Max Tow has a payload (yellow sticker) of 1,820 on the door. Not bad . . . and I have the Luxury Package, etc.

AFAIK, the 2015 and newer Max Tow does not increase GVWR or RAWR or payload like the earlier trucks. GVWR went up 500 pounds with the Max Tow on a 2012.

acadianbob

Your statement might "rile" a bunch of people but I agree with you. And I'd rather tow with a 3.5 Eco than a 6.2. That will probably also rile a few. . . .

TooManyVehicles

2016 F-150 Heavy Duty Payload option restrictions:
HEAVY-DUTY PAYLOAD PACKAGE (627)
Usage: Increases GVWR to 7600 lbs. on XL and 7850 lbs. on XLT and Lariat lbs. for
improved payload and towing
Availability:
● Opt. on XL, XLT Base, XLT Mid and Lariat Base
Not available with:
● 2.7L V6 EcoBoost® engine (99P)
● 122” WB on XL and XLT
● 145” WB on XL, XLT and Lariat
● XL/XLT Chrome Appearance Package (86A, 86B)
● XL/XLT Sport Appearance Package (861, 862)
Requires:
● Trailer Tow Package (53A) required when ordered with 5.0L Engine (99F)
● Max Trailer Tow Package (53C) required when ordered with 3.5L EcoBoost® Engine
(99G)
Includes:
● 3.73 Electronic-locking rear axle
● 9.75" gearset
● LT245/70R17E BSW all-terrain tires (A/T) (T7C) (XL only)
● LT275/65R18C OWL all-terrain tires (A/T) (T8C) (XLT and Lariat)
● Upgraded springs and auxiliary transmission oil cooler
● XL: 17" Silver Steel Heavy-Duty Payload Pkg. wheels (64W)
● XLT/Lariat: 18” Silver Aluminum Heavy-Duty Payload Pkg. wheels (64H)
Optional Equipment:
● XL: 18” Silver Aluminum Heavy-Duty Payload Pkg. wheels (64H) (LT275/65R18C OWL
all-terrain tires (A/T) (T8C) are included with the Unique 18” Aluminum wheels (64H))

Edit:
So, this means no SCAB with 6.5' bed, or SCREW with 5.5' bed. Or 302A package on XLT (as it contains chrome / sport wheels) or Chrome pkg on 301a or Sport pkg on 301A, ...

johndeerefarmer

Notice the GVWR. My '13 ecoboost SCREW max tow was 7700 lbs GVWR WITHOUT the hd payload package. Now with a 700 lb lighter truck you have to get the hd payload package to get the same GVWR that I had 3 years ago.
Ford must have some young engineers that learned that "new" math in school.

acadianbob

Yep, that's the problem!