Velosprout

Wrong. SuperCrew HDPP frames are thicker than standard Super Crew frames. That is why my ordered 2015 and 2016 SuperCrew HDPP Lariat didn't get built...there was a shortage of the heaver frames.


Check out the facts by scrolling down to the frame dimensions:


www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/non-html/2016/2016F150_Technical%20Specs_SB.pdf

acadianbob

I think you have some valid points but some may be subject to debate or personal preference. For example, the payload on a 250 is not that great with the diesel drivetrain. Go gas (for the payload), and the 10 speed 3.5 Eco is a better pulling drivetrain than the 6.2 gas; albeit with slightly less payload. And I have a hard time believing that a solid front axle with E rated tires will ever match the ride and handling of an independent front axle and C rated tires.

So, I'm in the HDPP F150 camp.

P.S. This is not a personal attack. Just making some different points in the interest of discussion. We all have different perspectives, criteria, and needs.

SixShooter14

Why not go 350? a SRW 350 is not too much different size-wise and mpg-wise than a 250, but rated at higher loads.

acadianbob

For me, the word would be "overkill" and a distinctly unpleasant ride for the 75% of the time I'm not towing. But, you make a good point for those who might need more than a 150. It kind of makes you wonder about the need for a 250.

SixShooter14

I hear ya. I was really torn between a 350 and 150. But sensibility won out. And with my PL over 2000#s I'm happy.

I think the 250 would be more prevalent if they would lower the 150 ratings. There's too many folks thinking their regular non-hdpp non-max tow F150 can safely pull/handle/stop a 10k+ trailer. I just don't think the F150 has enough mass to handle that load real well. Even if the EB can pull it and HDPP can haul it and the tow book says it can handle it. The HDPP and Max tow are marketing packages to let them state these high PL and tow ratings on advertisements.

Of course this is all situational. Set up properly, an F150 could probably handle a 24' flat bed with 8-9k#s of steel plate on it (total weight around 11k-ish) But a 30' TT at 10k#s is pushing it for a regular tow rig.

HD150!

To the 350 comment as most people are not informed on state and provincal laws but I know in Ontario once you hop into a 350,vs 250 you need to annual your truck which is a large expense for most personal users (yes you even have to annual personal trucks) I just went down from a 250 6.2 to a 17 HDPP 150 all I lost was 200 pounds of payload verus my old f250 and I still get my crew cab I think people really underestimate these HD trucks for payload they are great but no don't try and tow a 11000 pound trailer cross country in one

ecobeest

Damn I miss my 2012 HDPP. I really wish I could have swung keeping it and getting my PSD. What a beast that truck was. The ride was fantastic as well. Loved that truck as a daily driver as well. Much nicer to drive on a daily basis than my PSD.


Towing, no comparison; the PSD will haul the gates off hell and come back for more. Then again the HDPP was no slouch either.


HD150!, that is completely untrue regarding a F350 in Ontario. You DO NOT need to have your truck inspected annually if you register it at an appropriate weight. Look at my profile to see where I live and what I currently own as proof of that.

HD150!

It just depends how long you can skate the rules any vehicle now with a GVWR over 10000 pounds need to have an annual we just went through a bunch of this at work specially if you haul any type of trailer (why buy a truck with an 12000 pound GVWR if you are never going to register it for that?)

Gene K

You guys act like the HDPP is something new. Before they split the F-Series you could get two F250's. A Light Duty (Under 8600 GVWR) and a Heavy Duty (over 8600 GVWR). After they introduced the 2007 F150 they built a Light Duty F250 on the F150 body. Once the Super Duty became it's on distinct line the F250 Light Duty had a name change to F150 HD to avoid confusion.

It's not some plot. The F150 HD RC 8' and F150 HD Scab 8' are regularly used in construction, industry and Government.

The change came when they started allowing people to buy them with 6.5 beds. Shortbed 3/4 tons didn't used to exist in any form.

Canadian F150 Owner

I have a Lariat with the Max Tow package and from my understanding the only real difference between the HDPP and Max Tow is just the rear springs. The Max Tow has transmission cooler heavier frame, larger rear end 9.75) and heavier rear bumper. My payload is 1670lbs with a fully loaded truck, I would think if I had the HDPP springs then it would have been up around 2100lbs.