GVWR Question- Payload
11-20-2014, 01:34 PM
#41
Kodi, I understand and agree with you on the fact that you can not hook a trailer to a truck that is already at GVWR. When I did the #s I included the tongue weight of the trailer. So if I am understanding you correctly a person will never be able to pull the tow cap because there is not enough room in weight to stay at or under the GCWR. I understand that GCWR and GVWR are two different items but they are related. Lets look at my truck:
GVWR: 7200
GCWR: 15400
Payload: 1465
Towing cap: around 9100 (1456 is 16%)(this is if the truck is empty)
1465-100(GN)-200 (me)- 100 (misc. Items) = 1065lbs
So with the #s above the max trailor I can tow is 6637lbs with just me in the truck. 16% Tongue Weight: 6637lbs loaded trailer
13% Tongue Weight: 8192lbs loaded trailer
I came up with these #s based on what you said the Max Payload was of my truck. The max payload of 1620 and max towing of 9700. If you take 1620/9700 =16% about. So I took the my payload and subtracted the items that I have in the truck and came up with 1065 which is what I have left for payload cap. Take that number 1065/.16 =6656.25, 1065/.13 =8192 and that will give you the max trailer you can tow. Is my understanding correct?
GVWR: 7200
GCWR: 15400
Payload: 1465
Towing cap: around 9100 (1456 is 16%)(this is if the truck is empty)
1465-100(GN)-200 (me)- 100 (misc. Items) = 1065lbs
So with the #s above the max trailor I can tow is 6637lbs with just me in the truck. 16% Tongue Weight: 6637lbs loaded trailer
13% Tongue Weight: 8192lbs loaded trailer
I came up with these #s based on what you said the Max Payload was of my truck. The max payload of 1620 and max towing of 9700. If you take 1620/9700 =16% about. So I took the my payload and subtracted the items that I have in the truck and came up with 1065 which is what I have left for payload cap. Take that number 1065/.16 =6656.25, 1065/.13 =8192 and that will give you the max trailer you can tow. Is my understanding correct?
Only thing is that your hitch rating tongue weight limit for a tag-along/bumper hitch trailer is probably 1050 lbs, so you need to reduce the tongue weight slightly if pulling a Tag trailer.
I ran into big problems with my VERY payload challenged King Ranch (1020 lb payload with my bed liner and tonneau). With me and my wife plus our luggage and snack cooler in the cab, I've only a little more than 500 lbs remaining for tongue weight - that won't allow much of a trailer!!
I wanted to pull my enclosed car hauler to tow my Corvette to track events, but when loaded up the trailer is almost 6500 lbs with an almost 700 lb tongue weight. With just me in the truck and a WDH I barely have 700 lbs remaining to handle that tongue weight.
Solution - I got a Trailer Toad!!
The Trailer Toad is a "hitch extension" that carries the entire tongue weight, so all I need to worry about is GCWR. I can now load up the stuff above and a few hundred lbs of tools and track support stuff in the bed and I'm still not quite at the truck's GVWR.
If I load the truck to 7000 lbs (200 below its GVWR), and subtract that from the GCWR of 15500, because the Trailer Toad is carrying all the tongue weight, that will allow me to tow 8500 lbs. The Trailer Toad weighs about 200, so I could pull an 8300 lb trailer and stay within limits.
That's my solution so I can pull a reasonable trailer weight with my payload challenged King Ranch.
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Last edited by KR Kodi; 11-20-2014 at 01:36 PM.
11-20-2014, 01:58 PM
#42
Kodi,
Here is the link to my setup.
https://www.f150forum.com/f82/lets-s...6837/index150/
I am not on level ground there. I have also added tow mirrors and LT tires since then. Some where else inside the above forum is another pic of my rig.
11-20-2014, 03:50 PM
#44
Senior Member
Brulaz, thanks for the info. It looks like it can't carry more then 10% tongue weight of your max the tow cap. Even 11% of the max of the example 2015 truck used is 1265lbs tongue weight. So if you want to use 13% like you do a 9384lbs trailer is the max you could do. Again this is with the 2015 example. That maxes the hitch out.
High tongue weight for bumper-pull and/or a 5er/goose, makes for a really stable tow. But does put some strain on the truck. The new 2015s should be really nice with their increased payloads, and especially the HD Payload trucks as they kept the 4800# rear axle.
We'll be seeing some big trailers (5er/goose) being towed behind the 2015 F150s HD payload.
Last edited by brulaz; 11-20-2014 at 03:53 PM.
11-20-2014, 04:12 PM
#45
brulaz, you are right. There are alot of big rigs behind the F150s now so I can't image what is going to be behind the 15s. The good news is that the Campers are getting lighter but still the same quality. Thanks for all your input and advice.
To everyone else that have made comments on this thread thank you also. I have learned alot and am now better prepared going forward with all these #s.
To everyone else that have made comments on this thread thank you also. I have learned alot and am now better prepared going forward with all these #s.
11-20-2014, 07:55 PM
#46
Grumpy Old Man
Originally Posted by ragerjr
11500(TW) + 6450 (Truck/WDH/TW) = 17950 GCWR (without a driver or anythingelse in the truck). The truck is now over the GCWR by 850lbs.
Bad logic. You counted the tongue weight twice, once as part of trailer weight and again as part of truck weight.
11,500 trailer weight (including tongue weight) + 5300 truck weight (not including tongue weight) = 16,800 gross combined weight (GCW). The GCW is less than the GCWR by 300 pounds.
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11-21-2014, 09:15 AM
#47
Bad logic. You counted the tongue weight twice, once as part of trailer weight and again as part of truck weight.
11,500 trailer weight (including tongue weight) + 5300 truck weight (not including tongue weight) = 16,800 gross combined weight (GCW). The GCW is less than the GCWR by 300 pounds.