Is Ford limiting the F-150 for the sake of the F-250 payload wise?
#11
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Pretty sure your 2016 can tow it, just maybe not in a way that you are comfortable doing so.
#12
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I went from a 2011 steel body ecoboost to a 2015 aluminum 5.0.
I pulled the same 7400lb dry camper with both. They needed different settings/adjustments for towing, but the new 2015 tows just as well as my 2011.
#13
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It should easily be able to tow a sub 500/5000lb trailer without the WDH (my 2010, a similar build, could) but once you hit bumps or take curves at speed with the 2016 the TT starts throwing the rear of the truck around...very unsafe. I only did this moving between storage and the house (just me and a pretty empty truck/trailer) but then had to hook up the WDH every time.
My RV dealer has even noticed the new F150 owners coming in to upgrade to Blue Ox and Equalizer hitches.
#14
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That's not a very heavy trailer. How close to your payload limit are you? I am looking for suggestions: do you have LT tires?
It should easily be able to tow a sub 500/5000lb trailer without the WDH (my 2010, a similar build, could) but once you hit bumps or take curves at speed with the 2016 the TT starts throwing the rear of the truck around...very unsafe. I only did this moving between storage and the house (just me and a pretty empty truck/trailer) but then had to hook up the WDH every time.
My RV dealer has even noticed the new F150 owners coming in to upgrade to Blue Ox and Equalizer hitches.
It should easily be able to tow a sub 500/5000lb trailer without the WDH (my 2010, a similar build, could) but once you hit bumps or take curves at speed with the 2016 the TT starts throwing the rear of the truck around...very unsafe. I only did this moving between storage and the house (just me and a pretty empty truck/trailer) but then had to hook up the WDH every time.
My RV dealer has even noticed the new F150 owners coming in to upgrade to Blue Ox and Equalizer hitches.
The rear axle of these trucks didn't lose that much weight iirc.
#15
A 1/2 ton truck has to fall within a certain classification in order to be a 1/2 ton rated truck. It's more of a regulation than anything else. Insurance, State registration, etc. all work based off the classification, so if a 1/2 ton truck rates in at a 3/4 ton truck, then they can't legally sell it as a 1/2 ton truck, so they lower the ratings to fall into that category even though it is quite capable of handling the weight.
#16
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I'm not saying that the F-150 has a weak payload, it is a "half ton" pickup that can tow well past "1 ton"/2000lbs. I am questioning if Ford is limiting the F-150's full potential as mentioned in the last part of your post, for the sake of keeping the F-250 relevant.
The whole half ton, 3/4 ton, and 1 ton are all misnomers from a bygone era. Hopefully one day we will stop using it. ><
I wonder if the 3.73 axles on the HDPP are rated higher than the 3.55.
The whole half ton, 3/4 ton, and 1 ton are all misnomers from a bygone era. Hopefully one day we will stop using it. ><
I wonder if the 3.73 axles on the HDPP are rated higher than the 3.55.
But, it also limits the CAFE damage by not over engineering the F150 to carry loads it won't actually carry. That saves weight which improves fuel efficiency.
For people like me, the max towing capacity isn't relevant.
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#18
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#19
A 1/2 ton truck has to fall within a certain classification in order to be a 1/2 ton rated truck. It's more of a regulation than anything else. Insurance, State registration, etc. all work based off the classification, so if a 1/2 ton truck rates in at a 3/4 ton truck, then they can't legally sell it as a 1/2 ton truck, so they lower the ratings to fall into that category even though it is quite capable of handling the weight.
#20
I'll bet those 3000# payload trucks are single cab RWD with 8' beds and still fall under a maximum weight category. It is based on GVWR, every F150 from the SCSB to the Screw LB weigh under a certain GVWR, in IL thats the B truck rate, which is 8000# or less. The door tag on those 3000# payload trucks most likely still have a GVWR of 7100-7500#.
An F250 or 350 can weigh over 8001# which is a different class and a more expensive plate, D in IL. You can put B plates on an F350 dually as long as you don't exceed 8001#.
So for Ford to sell the F150 as a 1/2 ton its GVWR has to stay under 8000#.
Oh one other thing, 3/4 ton and up are exempt from emissions, but the F150 is not, so in order to meet regulations they have to keep ratings in a certain range based on the number of trucks sold of a certain type. Fuzzy math, they speculate which model, engine and drive train will sell the most and set their ratings based on that. This all ties into the CAFE standards. That crap is well over my head and have no idea how this all fits in, but it has a lot to do with how they rate the F150.
An F250 or 350 can weigh over 8001# which is a different class and a more expensive plate, D in IL. You can put B plates on an F350 dually as long as you don't exceed 8001#.
So for Ford to sell the F150 as a 1/2 ton its GVWR has to stay under 8000#.
Oh one other thing, 3/4 ton and up are exempt from emissions, but the F150 is not, so in order to meet regulations they have to keep ratings in a certain range based on the number of trucks sold of a certain type. Fuzzy math, they speculate which model, engine and drive train will sell the most and set their ratings based on that. This all ties into the CAFE standards. That crap is well over my head and have no idea how this all fits in, but it has a lot to do with how they rate the F150.
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