logspec1

Help. I am under paralysis by analysis! I am looking at upgrading from my 2013 F150 super cab to the 2015 Crew Cab (Lariat) 4x2, W/145" WB, with the 3.5 EB engine.When I look at the Ford 2015 Towing Specifications it says that the 3.5EB 4x2 with the 3.55 rearend will tow 11,900 LBS. However when I run the VIN (1FTEW1CG5FFA50126) the specs for it says only 7600 LBS. That's a big difference. What am I missing? My current TT runs around 6,200 LBS but is rated max weight at 8,000 LBs. Want the new truck just confused now on what I am reading.

Ricktwuhk

You want to be looking at PAYLOAD.

smokeywren

That VIN decoder you're using is faulty. Find a Ford VIN decoder and you'll probably get correct specs.


Per the Trailer Towing selector, it sounds like the VIN you entered has the 2.7L EcoBoost engine instead of the 3.5L EcoBoost. But the VIN decoder you used says it's the 3.5L Ecoboost.


And you probably misunderstood the "fine print" footnote that says "Addition of trailer tongue load weight and weight of passengers and cargo cannot cause vehicle weights to exceed GVWR or rear GAWR." That means you can ignore that 11,900 pounds tow rating and instead be concerned with your payload rating. Your wet and loaded F-150 will have an actual tow rating of a lot less than 11,900.


Actual Tow rating = GCWR minus the actual scaled weight of your wet and loaded F-150. Your GCWR is 17,000, so your F-150 will have an actual tow rating of 11,900 only when the wet and loaded F-150 with driver and full tank of gas will gross less than 5,100 pounds. You can bet that your wet and loaded F-150 will weigh a lot more than 5,100 pounds when wet and loaded with people, pets, tools, jacks, weight-distributing hitch, and options such as a spray-in bedliner, tailgate steps, and bed steps.


Your 2015 F-150 EcoBoost should have no problem PULLING your 8,000-pound TT. But you have to pay attention to the weight you haul in the truck if you don't want to be overloaded over the weight capacity of the F-150 suspension.

There is a reason Ford makes the HD Payload package. It's for guys like you that might want to tow a trailer that grosses 10,000 pounds without being overloaded. So go back to square one on the specs for your new F-150. Be sure it includes the HD Payload Package.

logspec1

I have the window sticker and it is the 3.5L. The load rating for this truck is 6800#, with that the curb weight is 4563. 6800-4563=2237. 2237-700#tongue weight=1537 for the wife and I and grandkids. I am in good shape with load. I had just heard the 3.5s were better than the 5.0s for towing but what I see on the window stickers and specs thats not so. They do have a lower RPM which is better than the 5.0. I may just be over cautious but spending this much money I want to make sure I get what I need.

KR Kodi

iTrader: (1)

What is that "load rating" number???

And where did you get that 4563 curb weight???


If by load rating you're talking about the GVWR, then that's the max weight your wet&loaded truck can weigh.


If you got that curb weight from some sales brochure, that's for a plain Jane/no options/bare bones truck.


Like smokeywren said, your empty truck (completely empty except for a full tank of gas) will probably weigh 5100 lbs or more) due to options. Subtract that weight from your GVWR and you'll have your "payload capacity", and 6800-5100=1700 lbs.


There are 2 stickers on the driver's side of your truck - one will have the GVWR and GAWRs (front and rear axle ratings); and the tire sticker with some yellow highlighted areas will have a remark something like "max weight of people and cargo may not exceed xxxx lbs", and that weight is your "payload capacity". Subtract the payload capacity from your GVWR and you'll have the empty weight (full gas tank) of your vehicle as built.


Like smokeywren said, if you add a bed liner, tonneau, light bar, etc., then subtract them from your published payload capacity.


Also, with a tongue weight of 10% to15% (real life min of at least 12%) of your wet&loaded trailer's weight. If it weighs 7000 lbs loaded up, then 12% of that is 840 lbs.


The hitch head of your WDH will weigh 50-100 lbs. If you have a 1700 lb payload capacity, and you have a 60 lb WDH and a 840 lb tongue weight, then subtract that 900 lbs from payload capacity, and you'd have 800 lbs remaining for the wife, you, the grandkids, luggage, and some stuff like some tire changing tools in the bed.


Bottom line - until you see the numbers on the door stickers, you won't know exactly what your truck's payload capacity is, and if you add some stuff like bed liner, etc., it will reduce the payload further.


I bet your truck won't have quite the payload capacity that the "sales brochure" numbers would have you believe.


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tomt5078

Why does my truck weight so much, my GVWR is 7200 and the number on the little yellow sticker is 1360.....7200-1360 is 5840?




The 1360 is how much I can have in the truck+tongue, so if my tongue+WDH is 700, me and the wife and kids, and anything else in the truck can't be more then 660. correct?


Thanks

logspec1

Thanks guys. I got the curb weight from the specs for the VIN. Yes the 5100 is about right for the 2014s, this is a 2015 and it is around 700 lbs lighter because of the aluminum. But so is the GVWR at 6800 lbs. Appreciate the help.

smokeywren

Correct. PROVIDED you don't add even one pound more to the weight of the truck. Toolbox full of tools? Jack and jack base for changing a trailer tire in a muddy barrow ditch? Campfire wood? Tonneau cover. Camper shell ;ike mine"



My F-150 4x2 SuperCrew grosses 6,550 before I tie onto the TT. Just me and Sweetheart and Sugar with a camper shell and toolbox full of tools. (Sugar is a 40-pound Border Collie.) My tongue weight is 650 pounds so I'm overloaded over the 7,100 GVWR of my F-150 with my TT that grosses only 4,870 wwhen wet and loaded on the road.


It's extremely easy to underestimate the tongue weight of your TT. If your tongue weight plus WD hitch head = 700 pounds, then that's the same as mine. And that leaves me with a TT that grosses only 4,870 pounds wjen wet and loaded on the road. Note that 650 pounds tongue weight on a TT that grosses 4,870 is 13.35% tongue weight, which is close to the average percent of TT tongue weight.


If you plan to tow a trailer that grosses 7,000 pounds, then count on 13.35% tongue weight of 934 pounds plus at least 50 pounds hitch head = 984 pounds of tongue weight.

A7B2FX4

WOW I looked up your proposed window sticker. It shows a 23 gallon fuel tank! If you are going to tow a 23 gallon tank wont let you pass up many gas stations and you might not even make the next city in Wyoming.

acadianbob

X2 if that is the case. Our old truck had a 26 gallon tank. We would wind up filling any time we were down to about 1/2 tank because it can be over 100 miles between fueling stations out West. What a nuisance! Get the big tank. It will allow you to comfortably explore some out of the way places.