F150 5.0l 3.55 vs Eco boost to pull 7700lbs TT
06-09-2013, 10:44 PM
#21
Loaded upper trim F150s are super heavy. My 2013 crewcab lariat with pretty much every option and Max tow has an actual payload capacity of ~1575lbs. 7700gvwr = almost 6200lb Truck.
The non Max tow ecoboost f150s are even worse off. I saw plenty in the sub 1200lb payload range when I was truck shopping. My 2009 Lariat crewcab payload sticker was like 1100lbs and that was with Max tow and the associated enormous "towing capacity". That's nothing. You can't even tow a small travel trailer with a HUGE 11000 trailer tow rating and 1100lb payload.
Ironically, when I was shopping for a 2013 it was much easier to find a 5.0 with reasonable payload than it was to find a non-max tow ecoboost with reasonable payload. I would have probably gone with the 5.0 if any of the dealers around me got them with 3.73 axle.
The non Max tow ecoboost f150s are even worse off. I saw plenty in the sub 1200lb payload range when I was truck shopping. My 2009 Lariat crewcab payload sticker was like 1100lbs and that was with Max tow and the associated enormous "towing capacity". That's nothing. You can't even tow a small travel trailer with a HUGE 11000 trailer tow rating and 1100lb payload.
Ironically, when I was shopping for a 2013 it was much easier to find a 5.0 with reasonable payload than it was to find a non-max tow ecoboost with reasonable payload. I would have probably gone with the 5.0 if any of the dealers around me got them with 3.73 axle.
06-10-2013, 12:51 AM
#22
As I said, your tongue weight will over any F150, Max Tow or HD. You'll need a F250 unless you don't care about going over the capacities of your truck.
The frame is no different on a HD truck or a none HD Truck. The only thing with a HD that's upgraded is the axles, differentials, wheels, and tires.
The frame is no different on a HD truck or a none HD Truck. The only thing with a HD that's upgraded is the axles, differentials, wheels, and tires.
06-10-2013, 01:05 AM
#23
6.5' beds on either, had a GVWR of 7350 lbs for both the Ecoboost and 5.0L. 5.5' bed being lighter, gave a higher payload to the 5.0L.
If I were to buy an Ecoboost, it would had to be a Max Tow to get decent GVWR. But I didn't want an Ecoboost with all their troubles.
Since I wouldn't use the extra 1' of bed length on a 6.5' bed truck which also has negatives with a longer wheelbase, I opted to get a 5.5' bed 5.0L truck where I would use the extra payload.
Not to bad at 1582 lbs of payload. My lower optioned 2010 F150 had a 5.4L with the lower 7200 lbs GVWR and only had a 1430 lbs payload. Of course the engine was havier by 50 lbs, so the extra 5.0L truck options offset the extra weight of the 5.4L. Both trucks are within 2 lbs of the same weight. The 5.4L truck was 5770 lbs and the 5.0L is 5768 lbs.
My mixed urban/rural dealers didn't have any 3.73 axle truck either. All they had were 3.55 none locking axles. I did a dealer search in a more rural Michigan area, to find my 3.73 axle truck.
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crazy4oldcars (06-11-2013)
06-10-2013, 08:26 AM
#24
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Its interesting walking around the campground and seeing mostly half-ton trucks with some pretty large trailers (28' +) and you know they are over weight. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one that did proper research on my setup.
06-10-2013, 08:42 AM
#25
Senior Member
The new light weight 5ers though wouldn't work without the HD Payload option 'cause of the rear GAWR. But there are F150's HD Payload with over 3000# payload. A 2000# wet pin weight 5er should work fine there with the 7 lug axle and the trouble-free ECO.
06-10-2013, 12:30 PM
#26
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My "half-ton" Eco has a 2050# payload on the door, 11300# tow capacity. If I stripped the truck (esp. the Lear cap and kayaks: ~300#) I could easily and legally tow many 28' + TTs. And that's without the HD payload option but with a good WDH to move weight off the rear axle.
The new light weight 5ers though wouldn't work without the HD Payload option 'cause of the rear GAWR. But there are F150's HD Payload with over 3000# payload. A 2000# wet pin weight 5er should work fine there with the 7 lug axle and the trouble-free ECO.
The new light weight 5ers though wouldn't work without the HD Payload option 'cause of the rear GAWR. But there are F150's HD Payload with over 3000# payload. A 2000# wet pin weight 5er should work fine there with the 7 lug axle and the trouble-free ECO.
Did you look at any "Lite" 5ers with pin weights of around 1200 lbs.?
I did and found quite a few...1200 to 1400 pin weight is quite common. On mine, dry weight of 1190 (with 3 slides mind you) and loaded (camping ready) weight is still only 1450 lbs. Rear axle weight is under the limit of 4050 loaded rolling down the road with gas tank full, all our stuff and us in it. I don't have any problems and don't see any foreseeable problems down the road.
06-10-2013, 01:14 PM
#27
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Your last couple of sentences in that statement is quite bold and I have to disagree. Properly equipped Max Tow optioned F150s will tow 5ers safely all day long!
Did you look at any "Lite" 5ers with pin weights of around 1200 lbs.?
I did and found quite a few...1200 to 1400 pin weight is quite common. On mine, dry weight of 1190 (with 3 slides mind you) and loaded (camping ready) weight is still only 1450 lbs. Rear axle weight is under the limit of 4050 loaded rolling down the road with gas tank full, all our stuff and us in it. I don't have any problems and don't see any foreseeable problems down the road.
Did you look at any "Lite" 5ers with pin weights of around 1200 lbs.?
I did and found quite a few...1200 to 1400 pin weight is quite common. On mine, dry weight of 1190 (with 3 slides mind you) and loaded (camping ready) weight is still only 1450 lbs. Rear axle weight is under the limit of 4050 loaded rolling down the road with gas tank full, all our stuff and us in it. I don't have any problems and don't see any foreseeable problems down the road.
EDIT: Actually I don't see how you are not exceeding the GVWR on that truck. The max payload is only 1620#. And the Reese Hitch+Airborne Sidewinder is ~275#.
When I looked at 5ers, with ~1200# pin weights, I could not figure out how I could move all our stuff from the bed of the truck to the front pass-through of the 5er without adding 200-300# to the pin weight. Then there's the front end storage in the wardrobe and under the bed that would add another ~100#. And I figured 200# for the hitch. So I was looking at ~1800#, and maybe 400# in the cab, on a truck with only 2050# payload. And I figured the rear GAW would be over limit even more.
Maybe we just carry a lot of stuff (we go to Florida for 2-3 months) but I would want at least 2500# payload and the 7 Lug axle for our 5er TV.
Last edited by brulaz; 06-10-2013 at 01:28 PM.
06-10-2013, 04:16 PM
#28
Senior Member
Congrats. You are the first one pulling a 5er without the HD Payload option that I've heard of who is not exceeding the F150's rear GAWR or GVWR(?) . Guess it's because you managed to keep the WET pin weight to less than 1500#. You must also have a pretty light weight hitch.
EDIT: Actually I don't see how you are not exceeding the GVWR on that truck. The max payload is only 1620#. And the Reese Hitch+Airborne Sidewinder is ~275#.
When I looked at 5ers, with ~1200# pin weights, I could not figure out how I could move all our stuff from the bed of the truck to the front pass-through of the 5er without adding 200-300# to the pin weight. Then there's the front end storage in the wardrobe and under the bed that would add another ~100#. And I figured 200# for the hitch. So I was looking at ~1800#, and maybe 400# in the cab, on a truck with only 2050# payload. And I figured the rear GAW would be over limit even more.
Maybe we just carry a lot of stuff (we go to Florida for 2-3 months) but I would want at least 2500# payload and the 7 Lug axle for our 5er TV.
EDIT: Actually I don't see how you are not exceeding the GVWR on that truck. The max payload is only 1620#. And the Reese Hitch+Airborne Sidewinder is ~275#.
When I looked at 5ers, with ~1200# pin weights, I could not figure out how I could move all our stuff from the bed of the truck to the front pass-through of the 5er without adding 200-300# to the pin weight. Then there's the front end storage in the wardrobe and under the bed that would add another ~100#. And I figured 200# for the hitch. So I was looking at ~1800#, and maybe 400# in the cab, on a truck with only 2050# payload. And I figured the rear GAW would be over limit even more.
Maybe we just carry a lot of stuff (we go to Florida for 2-3 months) but I would want at least 2500# payload and the 7 Lug axle for our 5er TV.
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brulaz (06-10-2013)
06-10-2013, 04:31 PM
#29
Senior Member
My bad. 1890# according to the 2011 brochure. Still with that hitch plus airborne Sidewinder, really don't know how he's doing it.
06-10-2013, 04:36 PM
#30
Senior Member
The Crew Cab 4WD 5.5' bed Ecoboost trucks only came with a 7200 lbs GVWR while the Crew Cab 4WD 5.5' bed 5.0L trucks came with a 7350 lbs GVWR.
6.5' beds on either, had a GVWR of 7350 lbs for both the Ecoboost and 5.0L. 5.5' bed being lighter, gave a higher payload to the 5.0L.
If I were to buy an Ecoboost, it would had to be a Max Tow to get decent GVWR. But I didn't want an Ecoboost with all their troubles.
Since I wouldn't use the extra 1' of bed length on a 6.5' bed truck which also has negatives with a longer wheelbase, I opted to get a 5.5' bed 5.0L truck where I would use the extra payload.
Not to bad at 1582 lbs of payload. My lower optioned 2010 F150 had a 5.4L with the lower 7200 lbs GVWR and only had a 1430 lbs payload. Of course the engine was havier by 50 lbs, so the extra 5.0L truck options offset the extra weight of the 5.4L. Both trucks are within 2 lbs of the same weight. The 5.4L truck was 5770 lbs and the 5.0L is 5768 lbs.
My mixed urban/rural dealers didn't have any 3.73 axle truck either. All they had were 3.55 none locking axles. I did a dealer search in a more rural Michigan area, to find my 3.73 axle truck.
6.5' beds on either, had a GVWR of 7350 lbs for both the Ecoboost and 5.0L. 5.5' bed being lighter, gave a higher payload to the 5.0L.
If I were to buy an Ecoboost, it would had to be a Max Tow to get decent GVWR. But I didn't want an Ecoboost with all their troubles.
Since I wouldn't use the extra 1' of bed length on a 6.5' bed truck which also has negatives with a longer wheelbase, I opted to get a 5.5' bed 5.0L truck where I would use the extra payload.
Not to bad at 1582 lbs of payload. My lower optioned 2010 F150 had a 5.4L with the lower 7200 lbs GVWR and only had a 1430 lbs payload. Of course the engine was havier by 50 lbs, so the extra 5.0L truck options offset the extra weight of the 5.4L. Both trucks are within 2 lbs of the same weight. The 5.4L truck was 5770 lbs and the 5.0L is 5768 lbs.
My mixed urban/rural dealers didn't have any 3.73 axle truck either. All they had were 3.55 none locking axles. I did a dealer search in a more rural Michigan area, to find my 3.73 axle truck.