Ecoboost pulling a 5er?
12-27-2013, 08:05 AM
#41
I think a reasonably sized fiver on an F150 is safer towing than a large, within specs travel trailer because the fiver becomes part of the truck.
The folks pushing the Pullrite SuperGlide as an F150 short bed solution need to understand that it weights 300-350 lbs and that cuts seriously into the payload. A 90 lb Reese 16K and a Reese Revolution/Sidewinder pin box make a lot more sense.
In sizing a fiver, try to stay below 1400 lbs of dry pin weight because loading the fiver adds 250 lbs or more to it.
The folks pushing the Pullrite SuperGlide as an F150 short bed solution need to understand that it weights 300-350 lbs and that cuts seriously into the payload. A 90 lb Reese 16K and a Reese Revolution/Sidewinder pin box make a lot more sense.
In sizing a fiver, try to stay below 1400 lbs of dry pin weight because loading the fiver adds 250 lbs or more to it.
12-27-2013, 08:52 AM
#42
Senior Member
I think 1600-1700 is the average for a max tow truck... which most are not. I bet the average is closer to 1300-1400lbs.
12-27-2013, 01:29 PM
#43
When I shopped for a camper last year, I found maybe 2-3 ultra light 5th wheels that had a dry pin weight that was low enough that was even worth considering. Many of the "half ton towable" 5th wheels are still in the 1300-1400# dry pin weight, so unless you have a max payload truck, by the time you add a hitch, driver, and one passenger, you're out of payload on a max tow truck.
I know some of the "well, I'm doing it!" crowd has already replied to some of my posts in the past, but just because you CAN do it doesn't mean you SHOULD do it. I am well aware that Ford has likely engineered the truck to take more weight than what their ratings permit, but that doesn't mean that in 5-6 years of constantly being overloaded that the springs aren't going to start to sag, spring shackles get fatigued, etc.
If you're going to be pulling a 5th wheel all the time, just go ahead and do it right and get a 250/350. Yes, it is more money, but so are most 5th wheels.
12-27-2013, 03:05 PM
#44
Senior Member
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When I shopped for a camper last year, I found maybe 2-3 ultra light 5th wheels that had a dry pin weight that was low enough that was even worth considering. Many of the "half ton towable" 5th wheels are still in the 1300-1400# dry pin weight, so unless you have a max payload truck, by the time you add a hitch, driver, and one passenger, you're out of payload on a max tow truck.
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When I shopped for a camper last year, I found maybe 2-3 ultra light 5th wheels that had a dry pin weight that was low enough that was even worth considering. Many of the "half ton towable" 5th wheels are still in the 1300-1400# dry pin weight, so unless you have a max payload truck, by the time you add a hitch, driver, and one passenger, you're out of payload on a max tow truck.
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Also most 5ers have big pass thru's to replace your truck bed. Prolly 50% of any weight there is going to end up on the pin.
And then there's the truck's rear GAWR. Even if I was under GVWR, I would probably be over the rear GAWR as I don't have the HD payload option. Think that's what SkiSmug's reported.
HD payload is the option you want, even for a light weight 5er, ... or a super-duty.
12-28-2013, 07:30 AM
#45
Senior Member/Vietnam Vet
Yup, HD payload wasn't available for 2011. With 1410 dry and 1650 loaded, I am 500 lbs over GVWC. I load tools to the rear and camp chairs, etc in the basement to keep the pin weight down. Also SuperSprings and Bilsteins for ride and handling. With the fiver at 9500 fully loaded, I wouldn't want much more.