vllrl6

Just got a 2014 F150 with a towing capacity of 9600 lbs. I'm looking to tow with Dry Weight of 5,890 lbs. Wet weight for 63 gallon tank at 6,415 lbs and with two 250cc and one 110cc ATVs making it about 7500 lbs. I would also need to add equipment, passengers, dogs and luggage making the total about 8500 lbs. What do you guys think about towing that much weight?

A7B2FX4

I would not. Your post lacks details on the truck but you'll prob be at or over GVWR and /or raGWR. See plenty of other threads here on how to figure the numbers. You can also reference the 2014 Ford RV and trailer towing guide. Most dealers seem to gloss over the realistic tow numbers for the F150 and the wise purchaser does his homework before getting either the truck or trailer.

smokeywren

That's the tow rating, which is overstated. The tow rating is the GCWR of the truck minus the empty weight of the truck with no options and nothing in the truck but a skinny driver. Ignore the tow rating, and compute the max HITCH weight of any trailer you can tow without being overloaded as the GVWR of the truck minus the actual wet an loaded weight of the truck.


I suspect you'll be overloaded.


Trying to estimate the wet and loaded weight of the trailer by beginning with the dry weight of the trailer is a sure way to wind up overloaded. Assume the weight of the trailer will be the GVWR of the trailer, and the hitch weight will be 15% of the GVWR of the trailer.


To get a good estimate of the max trailer weight you can tow without being overloaded:


1] Load the pickup with all the people, pets, tools, and other things that will be in the pickup when towing. Campfire wood? Generator? Gas for the generator or toys? Jack and jack base in case of a flat tire on the trailer?


2] Drive to a truck stop that has a certified automated truck scale. Fill up with gas, then weigh the wet and loaded pickup.


3] Subtract the weight of the wet and loaded pickup from the GVWR of the pickup. The answer will be the max hitch weight of any trailer you can tow without being overloaded.


4] Divide that max hitch weight by 0.15, and the answer is the max GVWR of any travel trailer (TT) you want to consider. Divide that max hitch weight by 0.20 and the answer is the max GVWR of any fifth-wheel or gooseneck trailer you want to consider.

atwowheelguy

I'm towing a 6700# loaded toy hauler (5025# from the factory). The truck is rated for 15,300 GCVWR with a 9,800# "towing capacity". With a 1607# payload, the rear axle is loaded to 99% of the axle rating but the camper is only at 6700/9800 = 68% of the "towing capacity". The GCVW is only at 84% of the rated capacity, but the rear axle is maxed out. Forget the "towing capacity". You'll run out of payload long before you get to the "towing capacity".

vllrl6

I found out my GCWR is also 15,300. What kind of toy hauler are you using? And what "toys" are you putting in there?

DieselDawg

All conjecture until you get to the scales. Scales will give you a starting point to adjust your "stuff" that you carry and how to setup your Weight Distributing Hitch...check my sig...I'm in about the same scenario as you and all is good after scaling and adjusting.

atwowheelguy

Cruiser RV 2010 Fun Finder Xtra XT-245

Look at the signature at the bottom of the post. Many contributors here have info about their rigs there. Mine has the truck and camper listed. I have put two dirt bikes or one street bike in it so far.

It is right at the max that my payload will allow. I searched for it for 53 weeks. I knew I couldn't handle anything any larger, despite reading about others towing 30' toy haulers with the same truck.

Camper
4650 brochure dry weight.
5025 as built yellow sticker weight. I don't know what the actual empty weight is.
7765 GVWR
7000 axle rating
6740 loaded for camping with two dirt bikes and no water
780 tongue weight

Truck
7100 GVWR
15,300 GCVWR
3450 fGAWR
3850 rGAWR
1607 payload

The first time I weighed it, the rear axle was loaded to just 50 lbs. under the limit with 707 lbs. of people and accessories and stuff in the truck and 780 lb. tongue weight. I have since moved some gear from the truck to the camper. It matters whether you are putting the weight on the truck or in the trailer. In the truck, it is 100% applied to the payload. In the trailer, only about 10-15% is on the tongue and applied to the payload.

My payload is 1607#. With 707# in the truck, that left 900# for the tongue weight. The tongue weighs 780. With the WD hitch applied, the truck weighed 6920, 180 under the GVWR. But the rear axle weighed 3800, just 50 under the rGAWR.

You didn't list your GVWR or your payload. Ignore the GCVWR. Pay attention to the payload and axle weight ratings. I'm having to be careful loading the truck with a 6700# trailer. My GCVWR is 15,300 and my whole rig weighs only 12,920. But I am at the limit of the rear axle weight.

vllrl6

Thanks everyone for the help. I finally figured out the true numbers that count.

GVWR=7200 lbs
GCWR=15500 lbs
Tongue=1150 lbs

With my family and dogs (400 lbs) in the truck my maximum hitch weight will go down to about 750 lbs and the maximum GVWR for the trailer with toys, equipment, etc. will be 7900 lbs.

atwowheelguy

That indicates that your payload is 1150 lbs. Is that what is printed on the tire loading sticker on the edge of the door? The max tongue weight printed on the hitch receiver is not the same as the payload. Look on the door sticker for that.





Loaded for camping with two dirt bikes, but no water, my toy hauler has 11.6% of the camper weight on the tongue. If yours were the same, the max camper weight would be 750/0.116 = 6465 lbs. If you have up to 15% of the camper weight on the hitch, the max camper weight would be 750/0.15 = 5,000.

If you have the minimum 10% of that 7900 lb. camper weight on the tongue (not likely), the tongue weight will be 790 lbs., and your truck will be overloaded with a payload of 1150 and 400 loaded in the truck.

Remember, the weight distributing hitch itself will weigh 80 lbs. or more.

How did you figure the 7900 lb.?

vllrl6

My door stick reads as follows:




I got 7900 by the following: GCVW-GVWR=1550-7200=7900