Butt Puckering day today. Need help please.
06-18-2015, 10:50 AM
#11
Senior Member
You are correct. You want more weight on the front. Approximately 15% of the total trailer weight loaded should be on the tongue.
That weight looks awfully high; high center of gravity; and poorly distributed. It looks like an accident waiting to happen. Trailer is too small. Rent one for the task and improve safety.
That weight looks awfully high; high center of gravity; and poorly distributed. It looks like an accident waiting to happen. Trailer is too small. Rent one for the task and improve safety.
I don't think you realize how heavy the engine is in the Land Cruiser, far exceeding the 15% tongue weight. The only way to haul that Cruiser is with the engine at the rear.
I know...I have a heavy bombproof *** Land Cruiser.
06-18-2015, 03:48 PM
#12
So you have a 2000lb trailer, a 5000lb truck and no WDH or sway control of any kind....I think I know what's wrong. You MUST have a WDH with sway control....must
The reason that the second trailer is better than the first is that although the first trailer probably had proper tongue weight it was all at the back of the truck and this took way to much weight off of the front of the truck. Your truck was never meant to be driven around with the headlights pointed skyward. High headlights mean wacked out steering geometry and will make the truck unstable not to mention that the faster you do the worse it gets because now the wind is trying to pick the front of the truck up. The truck and the trailer must be level to ground, not each other, and only a WDH will do this and a WDH without sway control is just a waste of money.
The reason that the second trailer is better than the first is that although the first trailer probably had proper tongue weight it was all at the back of the truck and this took way to much weight off of the front of the truck. Your truck was never meant to be driven around with the headlights pointed skyward. High headlights mean wacked out steering geometry and will make the truck unstable not to mention that the faster you do the worse it gets because now the wind is trying to pick the front of the truck up. The truck and the trailer must be level to ground, not each other, and only a WDH will do this and a WDH without sway control is just a waste of money.
06-18-2015, 10:34 PM
#13
Love the old pig. You on mud? I have a couple of old Toyotas myself that I love, but the Ecoboost made me go in a new direction on a new DD. There is not a better engine in a half ton...is that what you have?
Those old 2F's are heavy tractor engines in the LC. I would back the pig on the trailer to transfer that tongue weight to the rear of the trailer. Put on a distribution hitch, and if you want added assurance get one with sway control too. The truck will also manage sway for you...if the 7 pin plug is active from the trailer. That means the trailer must have breaks.
The truck will pull that load just fine. Just need to load it correctly and have the proper hitch set up. I would also make sure the trailer brakes were working...
Those old 2F's are heavy tractor engines in the LC. I would back the pig on the trailer to transfer that tongue weight to the rear of the trailer. Put on a distribution hitch, and if you want added assurance get one with sway control too. The truck will also manage sway for you...if the 7 pin plug is active from the trailer. That means the trailer must have breaks.
The truck will pull that load just fine. Just need to load it correctly and have the proper hitch set up. I would also make sure the trailer brakes were working...
The green trailer looks better but the high side are going to make it more difficult to strap down. You have a really nice truck
Go ahead and get you a 16 or 18 foot car hauler with brakes. These trailers are designed from the the start for transporting
They usually weigh in around 2200 . I don't doubt your dad got good service from these trailers but I doubt he was trying to do 75 on the interstate .
Go ahead and get you a 16 or 18 foot car hauler with brakes. These trailers are designed from the the start for transporting
They usually weigh in around 2200 . I don't doubt your dad got good service from these trailers but I doubt he was trying to do 75 on the interstate .
You are correct. You want more weight on the front. Approximately 15% of the total trailer weight loaded should be on the tongue.
That weight looks awfully high; high center of gravity; and poorly distributed. It looks like an accident waiting to happen. Trailer is too small. Rent one for the task and improve safety.
That weight looks awfully high; high center of gravity; and poorly distributed. It looks like an accident waiting to happen. Trailer is too small. Rent one for the task and improve safety.
The trailer has a WDH. Just wasn't installed when I towed. It will be taken to the hitch shop with the Cruiser on the trailer to have it properly adjusted.
06-18-2015, 10:36 PM
#14
So you have a 2000lb trailer, a 5000lb truck and no WDH or sway control of any kind....I think I know what's wrong. You MUST have a WDH with sway control....must
The reason that the second trailer is better than the first is that although the first trailer probably had proper tongue weight it was all at the back of the truck and this took way to much weight off of the front of the truck. Your truck was never meant to be driven around with the headlights pointed skyward. High headlights mean wacked out steering geometry and will make the truck unstable not to mention that the faster you do the worse it gets because now the wind is trying to pick the front of the truck up. The truck and the trailer must be level to ground, not each other, and only a WDH will do this and a WDH without sway control is just a waste of money.
The reason that the second trailer is better than the first is that although the first trailer probably had proper tongue weight it was all at the back of the truck and this took way to much weight off of the front of the truck. Your truck was never meant to be driven around with the headlights pointed skyward. High headlights mean wacked out steering geometry and will make the truck unstable not to mention that the faster you do the worse it gets because now the wind is trying to pick the front of the truck up. The truck and the trailer must be level to ground, not each other, and only a WDH will do this and a WDH without sway control is just a waste of money.
06-18-2015, 10:58 PM
#15
Senior Member
If u are loaded right it want sway at 80 mph.
Tie her down on all four corners with axle straps and ratchets rated for car hauling. You may even want to put Air Bags on your truck to help with the soft 1/2 ton springs. I am sure you will be hauling camping gear too and ice chest spare tires , tool. The weight adds up. You can tow more than you can haul. I try to put most of my heavy gear on the trailer , what fits I slid under the Jeep. This is easier with a flat bed but you could put gear in your Toyota . Good luck and don't tow at 80 not a good idea.
But don't forget your air pressure in the trailer and rear truck tires , low pressure eats tires fast
Tie her down on all four corners with axle straps and ratchets rated for car hauling. You may even want to put Air Bags on your truck to help with the soft 1/2 ton springs. I am sure you will be hauling camping gear too and ice chest spare tires , tool. The weight adds up. You can tow more than you can haul. I try to put most of my heavy gear on the trailer , what fits I slid under the Jeep. This is easier with a flat bed but you could put gear in your Toyota . Good luck and don't tow at 80 not a good idea.
But don't forget your air pressure in the trailer and rear truck tires , low pressure eats tires fast
06-18-2015, 11:15 PM
#16
If u are loaded right it want sway at 80 mph.
Tie her down on all four corners with axle straps and ratchets rated for car hauling. You may even want to put Air Bags on your truck to help with the soft 1/2 ton springs. I am sure you will be hauling camping gear too and ice chest spare tires , tool. The weight adds up. You can tow more than you can haul. I try to put most of my heavy gear on the trailer , what fits I slid under the Jeep. This is easier with a flat bed but you could put gear in your Toyota . Good luck and don't tow at 80 not a good idea.
But don't forget your air pressure in the trailer and rear truck tires , low pressure eats tires fast
Tie her down on all four corners with axle straps and ratchets rated for car hauling. You may even want to put Air Bags on your truck to help with the soft 1/2 ton springs. I am sure you will be hauling camping gear too and ice chest spare tires , tool. The weight adds up. You can tow more than you can haul. I try to put most of my heavy gear on the trailer , what fits I slid under the Jeep. This is easier with a flat bed but you could put gear in your Toyota . Good luck and don't tow at 80 not a good idea.
But don't forget your air pressure in the trailer and rear truck tires , low pressure eats tires fast
I am going to get BFG AT KO2 tires as well and was thinking of going with an E rated tire to help with the load(thoughts?). Plus, I have a feeling I will be towing my fathers tractor more often now that he's getting some mileage on him.
Loading the gear in the Cruiser is a great idea.
06-19-2015, 12:24 AM
#17
Senior Member
E rated would help and are less prone to picking up nails than P metric. That said there will be a stiffer ride too but what you can do is keep than at 40 or 50 empty and just air up the rears to say 65 loaded. I don't know what the wheels on a F150 are
Rated to take as far as air pressure goes . I would try without the E tires first just max them out air pressure
Just my opinion . Biggest thing is be ready for the people in front of you to do stupid things like slam on brakes for a Squirrel
Rated to take as far as air pressure goes . I would try without the E tires first just max them out air pressure
Just my opinion . Biggest thing is be ready for the people in front of you to do stupid things like slam on brakes for a Squirrel
06-19-2015, 09:51 AM
#18
Thanks. I am going to get airbags too. Just need to decide which to get. Airlift or Firestone.
I am going to get BFG AT KO2 tires as well and was thinking of going with an E rated tire to help with the load(thoughts?). Plus, I have a feeling I will be towing my fathers tractor more often now that he's getting some mileage on him.
Loading the gear in the Cruiser is a great idea.
I am going to get BFG AT KO2 tires as well and was thinking of going with an E rated tire to help with the load(thoughts?). Plus, I have a feeling I will be towing my fathers tractor more often now that he's getting some mileage on him.
Loading the gear in the Cruiser is a great idea.
06-22-2015, 08:43 AM
#19
Senior Member
You just need a weight distribution hitch and to set the tongue weight correctly.
That first smaller trailer isn't going to cut it. Way too small to adjust the LC for proper tongue weight. The second larger trailer has more room to move the LC front/back to dial in the proper tongue weight. Use a tongue scale to ensure you know where the rig needs to set on the trailer for the proper distribution (10%-15%). You really only need to do this once, then continue to pull the LC onto the trailer in the same spot.
Secondly invest in a weight distribution hitch. Many are clamp on and don't require modifying the trailer frame. You don't need sway-control, but you do need weight distribution.
That first smaller trailer isn't going to cut it. Way too small to adjust the LC for proper tongue weight. The second larger trailer has more room to move the LC front/back to dial in the proper tongue weight. Use a tongue scale to ensure you know where the rig needs to set on the trailer for the proper distribution (10%-15%). You really only need to do this once, then continue to pull the LC onto the trailer in the same spot.
Secondly invest in a weight distribution hitch. Many are clamp on and don't require modifying the trailer frame. You don't need sway-control, but you do need weight distribution.