To all those pulling travel trailers / towing
03-01-2013, 08:50 AM
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We just bought our Jayco Eagle at the beginning of Feb with a dry weight sticker on side #8000 and dry hitch was listed at #935 and is actually @1030.
These weights are with the TT loaded normal stuff and it was just me in the truck and I will only have a little less than 400lbs to play with in my truck for my wife and 2 young kids and dog and some supplies to put in the bed of the truck.
My truck is a 2012 Lariat crew Eco max tow and I do have E rated tires on my truck. Tows well but I am way close to the GVWR of my truck and will probably upgrade to a 250. I think you will be over with the open range, and would definitely get a 3/4 ton truck. Safety of my family is foremost.
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These weights are with the TT loaded normal stuff and it was just me in the truck and I will only have a little less than 400lbs to play with in my truck for my wife and 2 young kids and dog and some supplies to put in the bed of the truck.
My truck is a 2012 Lariat crew Eco max tow and I do have E rated tires on my truck. Tows well but I am way close to the GVWR of my truck and will probably upgrade to a 250. I think you will be over with the open range, and would definitely get a 3/4 ton truck. Safety of my family is foremost.
Eric
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03-01-2013, 12:02 PM
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I have the same truck as you and I honestly think that trailer is to much for your truck. My trailer is a 2012 Outback 292bh 33' 6500lbs(dry) 850lbs(dry) tongue weight. When fully loaded to camp i had my setup weighed at my local Cat Scale. With the wife and I, my two young kids(7yr old+4yr old) and just there bikes and fishing gear in the bed of the truck it weighed in at 7540lbs. I'm just 160lbs under my trucks GVWR of 7700lbs and my trailer weighed in at 7500lbs. Now you are talking about a trailer that is 2000lbs(dry) more than mine and you are going to add another 1000lbs+ once it's loaded to camp. You are unfortunately going to be over your trucks GVWR and probably rear axle rating. The Ecoboost would be able to handle it just not the rest of the truck..
Maybe this will help you figure things out with payload.
My truck is 7,700 GVW with 2,000 payload. But I have added side steps and a bed cover that weigh 300 pounds. Now I'm down to an actual 1,700 pounds payload. When we are camping, here are some typical things that also come out of payload.
Wife and 2 dogs 200 pounds
Tool Box 70 pounds (yeah, i know . . . )
Generator 65 pounds
Kayak 50 pounds
Bike 20 pounds
Ladder 15 pounds
Gas Can 10 pounds
Air Compressor 5 pounds
Reese Hitch 50 pounds
Total 485 pounds
Now my remaining payload is down to about 1,200 pounds. Most "1/2 tons" start out with 1,300 to 1,600 of payload and you go down from there. You can see how quickly it all adds up and how quickly your payload disappears.
I hope this is helpful.
03-01-2013, 01:47 PM
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I imagine that the 1030 lbs of tongue weight that is distributed from the WDH to the truck and TT. I guess the tongue weight that is resting on the truck takes the weight off the trailer.
03-01-2013, 06:33 PM
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BRYGUY1822 - As other stated you can do it but your near the top of your limits. Some easy math to keep you in the comfortable range as you look at trailers.
1.Take the trailers factory listed tongue weight and divide by the dry weight.
2.This gives the factory % of tongue weight now take the trailers GVW and multiple it by the % tongue weight.
From your numbers % tongue=11.6%, Tongue weight at GVW= 1160 lbs (or actual hitch weight at traliers GVW of 9995lbs)
With a payload capacity rating of 1960, you will only have 800lbs for you the wife kids dog, etc in the truck.
F150 Stock, no lift, etc.
GVWR 7,650
Dry wt 5,625
Tow 11,300
03-01-2013, 08:25 PM
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Just want to thank you all for the opinions, suggestions, and information. I've decided not to purchase the Open Range Trailer. And it's actually not due to my trucks capabilities. I just don't want to give away my Keystone that is next to new itself. These guys aren't going to come close to what I want or owe on it.
Your responses have really brought some good things to mind. For one, I'd rather have too much truck rather than just enough. So in a couple of years when I do upgrade TT's I'll be looking at F250-F350 diesels. And from what I read I want to go 2008+... Something about the diesels in pre 2008's had several issues. Either way, I'm glad I posted this thread and glad you all responded. I'm gonna sit back, relax, pull my under 5k Lb Keystone around like it ain't even back there.
Oh, and if anyone here lives in Northern IL or Southern Wisc drop me a message. Would like to here where you camp and what you think of these places. Needs to be family friendly for my twins. I plan on hitting places in Wisc this year...
Your responses have really brought some good things to mind. For one, I'd rather have too much truck rather than just enough. So in a couple of years when I do upgrade TT's I'll be looking at F250-F350 diesels. And from what I read I want to go 2008+... Something about the diesels in pre 2008's had several issues. Either way, I'm glad I posted this thread and glad you all responded. I'm gonna sit back, relax, pull my under 5k Lb Keystone around like it ain't even back there.
Oh, and if anyone here lives in Northern IL or Southern Wisc drop me a message. Would like to here where you camp and what you think of these places. Needs to be family friendly for my twins. I plan on hitting places in Wisc this year...
03-01-2013, 09:58 PM
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ERICROM - YOU ARE CORRECT. The numbers you gave of 8000lbs dry and 935 tongue gives you 11.6% tongue weight. I think you may have your load bars a little tight. By the math with a loaded measured tongue of 1030lbs on a 11.6% factory tongue your trailer should weight in around 8880lb. Again from the math it looks as if probablly only in around as 8880 from your combo total leaves only 5820, the curb weight on the trucks run around 5600 so that would make mean that you and an additions to the truck weight about 220. I believe I am high on the trailer by about 200-300 lbs which would put you and the truck at 6200lbs. That means by the math that your WDH is transfering in the range of 1200 to 1600lbs on to the truck. if you back down the WDH you will gain some payload room and the truck will feel a light lighter.
BRYGUY1822 - As other stated you can do it but your near the top of your limits. Some easy math to keep you in the comfortable range as you look at trailers.
1.Take the trailers factory listed tongue weight and divide by the dry weight.
2.This gives the factory % of tongue weight now take the trailers GVW and multiple it by the % tongue weight.
From your numbers % tongue=11.6%, Tongue weight at GVW= 1160 lbs (or actual hitch weight at traliers GVW of 9995lbs)
With a payload capacity rating of 1960, you will only have 800lbs for you the wife kids dog, etc in the truck.
F150 Stock, no lift, etc.
GVWR 7,650
Dry wt 5,625
Tow 11,300
BRYGUY1822 - As other stated you can do it but your near the top of your limits. Some easy math to keep you in the comfortable range as you look at trailers.
1.Take the trailers factory listed tongue weight and divide by the dry weight.
2.This gives the factory % of tongue weight now take the trailers GVW and multiple it by the % tongue weight.
From your numbers % tongue=11.6%, Tongue weight at GVW= 1160 lbs (or actual hitch weight at traliers GVW of 9995lbs)
With a payload capacity rating of 1960, you will only have 800lbs for you the wife kids dog, etc in the truck.
F150 Stock, no lift, etc.
GVWR 7,650
Dry wt 5,625
Tow 11,300
The sticker on the side of trailer says 8005 and with the camping necessities inside my tongue weight was @1030, I am guessing my TT would be around 8300 or so. I don't know if this would change your calculation that you gave me above or not.
03-01-2013, 11:33 PM
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My experience is that the truck will do it all day long and never make a sound otherwise. Now from my experience of towing a comparable combo is you will be wanting a F250 by the end of the season. I have no complaints towing with my F150 but its a gut feeling. I had to put a new ring and pinion in at the end of this season and new rear shocks. It will do and do it safely but the maintenance will be steep. I have now parked my trailer (original intent when we went big) after ~8000 kms of towing and if I were to tow that trailer again it would be with nothing smaller than 3/4 ton. Engine was perfect by the way. Really just about the RAWR. It's so close. I had a 21' prior to this one and it towed like it wasn't there.