Bill_The_PA

my point exactly but I'd argue that in my neck of the woods they just can't get them and not because they can't sell them it's that there always a late build and the dealership doesn't want to miss a potential sale so the try to sell a 250 or a F150 that they don't want. How many people on this forum have been told something like"oh ya your F150 can tow that". They don't tell you that you can't even carry a full bladder in the cab cause your over on payload. Just my thoughts.

sunofabeach

Yeah, the HD payload package wasn't available for the 2015 model year. Ford reintroduced it for 2016 model year with late availability so if you are looking late last year, you would been waiting a long time.

I told them that I'm not in a hurry to get the truck and that I am not willing to budge on the HD payload package. Either the trick is built the way I want, or the deal on a non-HD payload truck better be huge, like 25k discount. Haha.

I would rather just keep my truck than settle for a truck that didn't meet my wants and needs for that price.

timothyroland

Thanks for the input guys. I've basically come to the conclusion that I didn't buy the right truck. I didn't want to get a new one in the first place but my old one was messing up and I had to get into something else to fast. I'm just going to wait and when the opertunity arises send this one down the road and get another diesel so I know I have what I want.

RobertP

Smokeywarren do u realize a f250 payload is not much higher? I've got 2 customers with f250 one is a 6.2 gas with right at 2300 pounds of payload the other is the 6.7 with 2100 pounds of payload the dieseal has a higher gvwr and is a base 4 door 4wd truck the gas truck is 9600 gvwr with 4x4 liaret, if u guy by payload which many of u do a 250 is over loaded also, my dads comes from towing with cars towed many travel trailors, we pulled with a 95 f150 4x4 351 used to pull a 9500 lb gvwr cougar before they were the light versions, guess what my dad pulled it for years come to find out the trailor brakes never worked, the controller only worked manually pulling it, truck went thru brakes but it never had a big issue stopping not to mention many mtn trips never even questioned payload in fact not even so sure it had a payload sticker my neighbor owns it know, I'll check it truck towed for over 100k miles with zero issues, and I will tell ya straight up that trucks not half of what the 04-16 trucks are, yet it never had a issue, my point being is all these 250 I see at the campground pulling big 5th wheels are way overloaded, ill be honest never even knew a thing about payload numbers till reading here, I still don't go by them, I go by how the tow vehicle handles the load been going by that rule for 18 years I must be missing something, I read payload on a lot of customers cars a Miata has a 320 pound payload may as well not ever use the trunk with 2 adults better yet if my my employee ride together in the customers Miata we are over loaded, some of the numbers I see are bogus some of them I've seen as high as my 05 f150 and there's no way the vehicle could handle the weight let alone the tires
Ok I'm done sorry just my 2 cents

Velosprout

GM ceased producing HD 1500's in 2008. I confirmed with a GMC dealership today.

smokeywren

So I guess he GM 1500 HD was even less popular than the F-150 with the HD Payload package.


History 101:


The F-150 with HD Payload pkg began life as the F-250 Light Duty (LD) about 1997. It looked like the new body style of the '97 F-150, but the badge said F-250. By the Y2K model year, Ford realized the F-250 name on an F-150 was a bad idea, so they stopped badging them as the F-250 LD and went to the current name of F-150 with HD Payload pkg.


From 1997 through 2014 model years, the F-150 HD (or F-250 LD) had heavy-duty 7-lug wheels. Ford engineers didn't want some knothead owners replacing the HD wheels with the lighter-duty F-150 wheels, so they made the hubs with 7 lugs. And nobody made custom wheels for 7-lug hubs, so those that wanted inexpensive custom wheels were out of luck. Those 7-lug wheels were a big reason the HD Payload Pkg was a slow seller. But the main reason was the harsher ride of the HD Payload pkg. Folks say they want the higher payload of the HD Payload package, but with the grocery-getter ride of a regular F-150. The engineers haven't figured out how to do that yet, so the HD Payload Pkg remains a slow seller.


By the 2015 model year, the HD Payload pkg design evolved to include ordinary 18" wheels on the higher-trim models (but the same old 7-lug wheels on the "work truck" trim). However, the HD Payload pkg was "delayed production" for the entire 2015 model year, and remains delayed production so far on the 2016 model year. So no one yet owns an F-150 with HD Payload pkg and factory 18" wheels.

Bill_The_PA

not quite true you could get the HD payload in the lariat since 2009 for sure and 18" wheels. The launch of the Ecoboost killed the amount of HD that rolled off the line. In 2012 it took a back seat as I tried to get one but settled on a lariat with 3.73. ( tow 11,200 ) with Payload of 1906lbs. However back on point. The no production in 2015 was due to factory changeover to new generation. Ford was short 250000 vehicles in total. HD took a back seat again. That was my understanding but I'm wrong on a daily basis. Still wish I had one to go get a lot of grub.

Velosprout

One 2015 Heavy Duty Payload package super crew was delivered in Canada and Lance Campers had one in a magazine article. Both were posted on these forums. I did find one Heavy Duty Payload package 2016 Super Cab 5.0 XL advertised at a Virginia dealership online with pics and the window sticker.

Bill_The_PA

would be nice to look at one. Wonder if that was a spec fleet model for show and tell many dealerships including mine have confirmed with national office on start and potential delivery dates. Can you fwd a link. Thanks

smokeywren

Nope, you misread something. In 2012 model year I tried to order an F-150 Lariat SuperCrew with HD Payload and 18" wheels, but Ford said no. The order guide was very clear that HD Payload package came with 17" 7-lug wheels, and substitutions were not allowed. If you "built" an F-150 HD in the Ford ordering computer, then tried to change the wheels and tires to 18", the computer then deleted the HD Payload pkg and asked if you wanted to continue the order or cancel that change. The only wheel change that was allowed with the HD Payload pkg was the steel 7-lug wheels on an XL could be upgraded to aluminum, but they were still 17" 7-lug wheels, even on a Lariat.