Nighthawk87

Unless I'm doing my math wrong, one doesn't need a 3.5L in the f150 - assuming we are usually limited by payload, which you'll see is the case. I have a 2.7L 2wd '16 F150 w/payload pckg( 3.73, 9.75" ring, etc...). My payload on sticker is 1714#.

I'd assume that without the max tow pckg on a 3.5 the payload would be the same or probably lower from what I've seen posted on this forum. Let's run the calcs to determine my max tow rating as limited by my payload, before even bringing up fords rated tow weight for my 2.7. Let's assume 13% of trailer weight becomes tongue weight.

1718 -50 me
-350 kids & wife
-50 Steps
-30 bed cover
-100WDH =1138
-200 firewood =938

938/.13 = 7,214 Trailer
Or with nothing in the bed:
1038/.13= 7,984

My tow rating is 8,200#, so I don't see the purpose of a 3.5 other than it may feel more powerful but most reports say the 2.7 is fine at these weights.

xlttune

The short answer, the 3.5 will do it easier than the 2.7.

Jason_Larsen

There are so many answers to your questions. Id say marketing is the biggest influence in how these trucks are packaged. Whats the point of the 5.0 if the 2.7 is advertised with the same capabilities.

We shall see how the 2.7 holds up in 5 years.

idrive

iTrader: (3)

What someone "needs" or "wants" are two different things.

Velosprout

You are doing the math wrong 3.5 Eco with a HD payload package has up to 2650 payload. A 2.7 or 3.5 NA isn't up to the task,.

Steve Osborne

for the new ratings of the 2016....the numbers suck....

the truck is suppose to be lighter....not seeing a big increase in payload for the same as what I have.....the change to a 3.55 ratio on the max tow???...11400lbs.....my 2013 is rated at 11200lbs....not a big change...the payload...not sure what it would be actual....lists approx. 2400lbs..


so at those ratings...yes i'm still looking at another 3.5 eco......needs to keep me happy..

11screw50

Hate to rain on your parade but payload does not include 150lb driver, tow rating does...

Also, the base GVWR for the 2.7 is 6500lb, adding the payload package brings it up to 7,000. The 5.0 and 3.5 EB start at 7,000 lb GVWR, adding HD payload increases it to 7500lb (I believe). If you ran the numbers with 500lb more payload, you would have a result that is more than your 2.7 is rated to tow.

11screw50

While the tow ratings are pretty close to the same (although don't they use SAE J2807 now...which they did not on the previous gen), payload numbers are higher. My 2015 with more options than my 2011 has a payload 400lb higher (tow rating is lower since I have 3.55's rather than 3.73's but it is only lower by 200lb).

mass-hole

HD Payload package is 7850 lb GVWR I believe. At least on the 157" WB trucks.

Did your 2011 have the Max Tow package? that would have increased GVWR by 350 lbs or so. The max tow package on the '15/'16 trucks no longer increases the GVWR so its as if all trucks now have Max Tow in a sense. I know that comparing my Max tow 2014 truck to 2015's of the same Wheelbase, trim and options shows that the Payloads are nearly identical, usually within about 50 lbs. The local ford dealer had a 2015 157" Lariat with 502A just like my truck and they were extremely close.

11screw50

I was guessing but that just makes it even less likely that payload would limit trailer weight to what a 2.7 is rated to handle.


No, I had a 5.0 so no max tow available. My new truck is basically my old truck with more options and 3.55's instead of 3.73's. Old GVWR was 7,200#, new is 7,000#. Old tow rating 9,300#, new 9,100#. Old payload 1405#, new 1818#. The weight savings paid really off in higher payload capacity.