1127 lb Payload capacity???????
08-03-2012, 05:50 PM
#111
So, the yellow tag takes into consideration all weights known by the manufacturer---that is, the basic truck and all options ordered on the truck. As the tag says, we, the owner have to add the weight of ourselves, our passengers, our cargo, self-added options, and our tongue weight to determine if we exceed the limit shown. If all those combined weights are within the limit shown, our axles are NOT overloaded and we can pull the advertised GCWR. Am I correct?
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rdkev (08-15-2013)
08-15-2013, 12:17 PM
#112
Member
I read all 12 pages... STILL have NO idea what is safe or not. I FREQUENTLY am over those maximums and it seems like there is way more capability left. Next time, i'm just gonna get a diesel.
08-15-2013, 02:12 PM
#113
Senior Member
Safe is a relative term. I've found no ratings for the shear point of the axles or wheel studs but you gotta figure there is a huge safety margin to protect ford from liability. I've been easily 1500+ pounds over the max and hit bumps with no problems but I wouldn't haul such loads on a daily basis. I wouldn't consider a first timer hauling such a load as safe but with experience comes the knowledge that it takes longer to stop and that bumps put way more pound force on the axles and you slow down don't follow close, allow room to stop and pay attention and allow for the unknown, that's much more safe. If hauling such things daily u want a super duty but one or twice a year I wouldn't personally worry about it.
08-15-2013, 03:47 PM
#114
Former Powerstroker
Ok well I think I read all of this and no one answered it. The payload is drastically reduced by options. Your navigation is not just a radio there is a lot more wiring, better speakers with tweeters, a subwoofer, and all the sync goodies. Then you have power seats and I will assume heated and cooled thats a lot of weight as well. Plus the better trims have more sound deadening.
20" wheels play a part only because the heavier rotating mass. a 20 is about 5-8 lbs heavier each with tires. So that plays a big part in acceleration and braking when towing.
You can get fully loaded f250s with comprable payload limitations, that is why my 08 XL has a 1800lb payload. and its a screw with a 5.5ft bed and a 4.6. Because I have no options. I added a few but my curb weight is still under 5400 with me in it.
It is the sad reality of options they take away from a truck being able to do truck things legally.
If you look at fords payload charts they have another weight called arc weight I believe and it is the amount of total weight the options can eat up out of the payload.
For example on my truck if it was fully loaded I would loose 960 lbs of payload. That is a lot of precious space to have cool seats and a computer point where to go.
Not insulting your truck or your choice I am just pointing out the reason why it is so low.
20" wheels play a part only because the heavier rotating mass. a 20 is about 5-8 lbs heavier each with tires. So that plays a big part in acceleration and braking when towing.
You can get fully loaded f250s with comprable payload limitations, that is why my 08 XL has a 1800lb payload. and its a screw with a 5.5ft bed and a 4.6. Because I have no options. I added a few but my curb weight is still under 5400 with me in it.
It is the sad reality of options they take away from a truck being able to do truck things legally.
If you look at fords payload charts they have another weight called arc weight I believe and it is the amount of total weight the options can eat up out of the payload.
For example on my truck if it was fully loaded I would loose 960 lbs of payload. That is a lot of precious space to have cool seats and a computer point where to go.
Not insulting your truck or your choice I am just pointing out the reason why it is so low.
08-15-2013, 10:41 PM
#115
Senior Member
Ok well I think I read all of this and no one answered it. The payload is drastically reduced by options. Your navigation is not just a radio there is a lot more wiring, better speakers with tweeters, a subwoofer, and all the sync goodies. Then you have power seats and I will assume heated and cooled thats a lot of weight as well. Plus the better trims have more sound deadening.
20" wheels play a part only because the heavier rotating mass. a 20 is about 5-8 lbs heavier each with tires. So that plays a big part in acceleration and braking when towing.
You can get fully loaded f250s with comprable payload limitations, that is why my 08 XL has a 1800lb payload. and its a screw with a 5.5ft bed and a 4.6. Because I have no options. I added a few but my curb weight is still under 5400 with me in it.
It is the sad reality of options they take away from a truck being able to do truck things legally.
If you look at fords payload charts they have another weight called arc weight I believe and it is the amount of total weight the options can eat up out of the payload.
For example on my truck if it was fully loaded I would loose 960 lbs of payload. That is a lot of precious space to have cool seats and a computer point where to go.
Not insulting your truck or your choice I am just pointing out the reason why it is so low.
20" wheels play a part only because the heavier rotating mass. a 20 is about 5-8 lbs heavier each with tires. So that plays a big part in acceleration and braking when towing.
You can get fully loaded f250s with comprable payload limitations, that is why my 08 XL has a 1800lb payload. and its a screw with a 5.5ft bed and a 4.6. Because I have no options. I added a few but my curb weight is still under 5400 with me in it.
It is the sad reality of options they take away from a truck being able to do truck things legally.
If you look at fords payload charts they have another weight called arc weight I believe and it is the amount of total weight the options can eat up out of the payload.
For example on my truck if it was fully loaded I would loose 960 lbs of payload. That is a lot of precious space to have cool seats and a computer point where to go.
Not insulting your truck or your choice I am just pointing out the reason why it is so low.
08-16-2013, 12:05 PM
#116
Former Powerstroker
08-16-2013, 03:12 PM
#117
Senior Member
OK, can someone clear up this talk of 'legal' weight limits (as in, point me to a specific state law that limits vehicle weight in any way to the information displayed on the sticker). I am not suggesting that anyone exceed the numbers on the sticker but I find it somewhat interesting the way 'legal' is always thrown about in these discussions with not a single link to back up the claim that exceeding the numbers is not legal.
I think IronJoce hit it early on with his comment about what is legal in Canada...I suspect it applies in many cases here too.
Also, my interpretation of the payload is that it includes a tank of gas but not the driver. The tow rating includes a 150lb driver as well as a full tank of gas.
I can sit on the porch of my office every friday afternoon and watch literally hundreds of travel trailers being towed at 75+ mph (btw, I have found reference to maximum speed in several places online and many states limit towing to 55mph) with at least half appearing (to me, based on the amount of sag) to be overloaded. Again, not saying it is right, or safe...
I think IronJoce hit it early on with his comment about what is legal in Canada...I suspect it applies in many cases here too.
Also, my interpretation of the payload is that it includes a tank of gas but not the driver. The tow rating includes a 150lb driver as well as a full tank of gas.
I can sit on the porch of my office every friday afternoon and watch literally hundreds of travel trailers being towed at 75+ mph (btw, I have found reference to maximum speed in several places online and many states limit towing to 55mph) with at least half appearing (to me, based on the amount of sag) to be overloaded. Again, not saying it is right, or safe...
08-16-2013, 09:02 PM
#118
OK, can someone clear up this talk of 'legal' weight limits (as in, point me to a specific state law that limits vehicle weight in any way to the information displayed on the sticker). I am not suggesting that anyone exceed the numbers on the sticker but I find it somewhat interesting the way 'legal' is always thrown about in these discussions with not a single link to back up the claim that exceeding the numbers is not legal.
I think IronJoce hit it early on with his comment about what is legal in Canada...I suspect it applies in many cases here too.
Also, my interpretation of the payload is that it includes a tank of gas but not the driver. The tow rating includes a 150lb driver as well as a full tank of gas.
I can sit on the porch of my office every friday afternoon and watch literally hundreds of travel trailers being towed at 75+ mph (btw, I have found reference to maximum speed in several places online and many states limit towing to 55mph) with at least half appearing (to me, based on the amount of sag) to be overloaded. Again, not saying it is right, or safe...
I think IronJoce hit it early on with his comment about what is legal in Canada...I suspect it applies in many cases here too.
Also, my interpretation of the payload is that it includes a tank of gas but not the driver. The tow rating includes a 150lb driver as well as a full tank of gas.
I can sit on the porch of my office every friday afternoon and watch literally hundreds of travel trailers being towed at 75+ mph (btw, I have found reference to maximum speed in several places online and many states limit towing to 55mph) with at least half appearing (to me, based on the amount of sag) to be overloaded. Again, not saying it is right, or safe...
Still not the best idea, but the risk is minimal..