10500 lbs trailer. Am I kidding myself?
07-03-2016, 09:59 PM
#11
Grumpy Old Man
I've got a 2016 F150 Screw with 3.5 and 3.55 gears with Max tow.
I work in the trades and need to tow a trailer (14 foot V-nose, 17 overall, 7 Feet high) with a load of 9500 to 10500 lbs load.
85-90% of the payload will be behind or over the axles. If I keep my tongue weight at or bellow rated is it doable?
I work in the trades and need to tow a trailer (14 foot V-nose, 17 overall, 7 Feet high) with a load of 9500 to 10500 lbs load.
85-90% of the payload will be behind or over the axles. If I keep my tongue weight at or bellow rated is it doable?
If you can move the load in the trailer to customize tongue weight, you want 12% to 13% tongue weight (TW) to result in good handling. When the gross trailer weight is 10,500, that's around 1,350 pounds TW.
Your limiter is your receiver hitch. I doubt it has weight capacity of 1,350 pounds tongue weight (TW) with a weight-distributing (WD) hitch. And I can't find aftermarket receivers with more TW capacity for an F-150. So unless you can find a receiver that will bolt onto your F-150 and have 1,350 or more TW capacity, then that truck is a nonstarter for a tow vehicle for that trailer.
If you fix the receiver hitch TW problem, next gotcha is any trailer with hitch weight more than 500 pounds requires a WD hitch. And many V-nose trailers cannot install a WD hitch without doing major surgery on front of the body of the trailer. Maybe have your trailer builder include access to the A-frame of the tongue so that your WD hitch can be installed. Or better yet, have the trailer builder install a good WD hitch, and be sure the spring bars can be properly adjusted.
You have enough power and torque to PULL a 10,500 pound trailer. That 3.5L EcoBoost drivetrain is a powerhouse. But you may not have enough payload capacity to HAUL the 1,350 pounds tongue weight, along with the other weight in the truck such as tools and equipment and the WD hitch. That's why most old experienced guys will tell you that any trailer over about 8,000 or 9,000 pounds needs an F-250 or more to safely tow that much trailer. Ford apparently agrees because they install receiver hitches that have a max TW of 1,050 pounds or so. TW of 1,050 pounds is a max tandem-axle trailer weight of less than 9,000 pounds with the average TW of 13%.
The above assumes your max gross wet and loaded trailer weight will be 10,500 pounds. But if jeffinthebag is right in that the 10,500 is only the load in the trailer and does not include the weight of the empty trailer, then all bets are off.
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Ricktwuhk (07-04-2016)
07-04-2016, 12:09 AM
#12
Official HTT Greeter
You could maybe use a dolly (pardon the term) to carry the weight of the tongue and just pull with the truck...I've seen it done on here, just a thought.
07-04-2016, 01:49 AM
#13
If you can move the load in the trailer to customize tongue weight, you want 12% to 13% tongue weight (TW) to result in good handling. When the gross trailer weight is 10,500, that's around 1,350 pounds TW.
Your limiter is your receiver hitch. I doubt it has weight capacity of 1,350 pounds tongue weight (TW) with a weight-distributing (WD) hitch. And I can't find aftermarket receivers with more TW capacity for an F-150. So unless you can find a receiver that will bolt onto your F-150 and have 1,350 or more TW capacity, then that truck is a nonstarter for a tow vehicle for that trailer.
If you fix the receiver hitch TW problem, next gotcha is any trailer with hitch weight more than 500 pounds requires a WD hitch. And many V-nose trailers cannot install a WD hitch without doing major surgery on front of the body of the trailer. Maybe have your trailer builder include access to the A-frame of the tongue so that your WD hitch can be installed. Or better yet, have the trailer builder install a good WD hitch, and be sure the spring bars can be properly adjusted.
You have enough power and torque to PULL a 10,500 pound trailer. That 3.5L EcoBoost drivetrain is a powerhouse. But you may not have enough payload capacity to HAUL the 1,350 pounds tongue weight, along with the other weight in the truck such as tools and equipment and the WD hitch. That's why most old experienced guys will tell you that any trailer over about 8,000 or 9,000 pounds needs an F-250 or more to safely tow that much trailer. Ford apparently agrees because they install receiver hitches that have a max TW of 1,050 pounds or so. TW of 1,050 pounds is a max tandem-axle trailer weight of less than 9,000 pounds with the average TW of 13%.
The above assumes your max gross wet and loaded trailer weight will be 10,500 pounds. But if jeffinthebag is right in that the 10,500 is only the load in the trailer and does not include the weight of the empty trailer, then all bets are off.
Your limiter is your receiver hitch. I doubt it has weight capacity of 1,350 pounds tongue weight (TW) with a weight-distributing (WD) hitch. And I can't find aftermarket receivers with more TW capacity for an F-150. So unless you can find a receiver that will bolt onto your F-150 and have 1,350 or more TW capacity, then that truck is a nonstarter for a tow vehicle for that trailer.
If you fix the receiver hitch TW problem, next gotcha is any trailer with hitch weight more than 500 pounds requires a WD hitch. And many V-nose trailers cannot install a WD hitch without doing major surgery on front of the body of the trailer. Maybe have your trailer builder include access to the A-frame of the tongue so that your WD hitch can be installed. Or better yet, have the trailer builder install a good WD hitch, and be sure the spring bars can be properly adjusted.
You have enough power and torque to PULL a 10,500 pound trailer. That 3.5L EcoBoost drivetrain is a powerhouse. But you may not have enough payload capacity to HAUL the 1,350 pounds tongue weight, along with the other weight in the truck such as tools and equipment and the WD hitch. That's why most old experienced guys will tell you that any trailer over about 8,000 or 9,000 pounds needs an F-250 or more to safely tow that much trailer. Ford apparently agrees because they install receiver hitches that have a max TW of 1,050 pounds or so. TW of 1,050 pounds is a max tandem-axle trailer weight of less than 9,000 pounds with the average TW of 13%.
The above assumes your max gross wet and loaded trailer weight will be 10,500 pounds. But if jeffinthebag is right in that the 10,500 is only the load in the trailer and does not include the weight of the empty trailer, then all bets are off.
07-04-2016, 02:18 AM
#14
2016 max tongue weights:
- F-150 1,220
- F-250/F-350 Super Duty SRW 1,250
- F-250/F-350 Super Duty SRW w/6.7L engine 1,400
- F-350 Super Duty DRW w/6.2L engine 1,500
- F-350 Super Duty DRW w/6.7L engine and F-450 Super Duty 1,900
07-04-2016, 10:09 AM
#15
I know if I were to pull anything over 10K it would be with a dually. Hands down, that is the most stable towing platform for both tag along and 5er.
This thread is further proof that the rated towing capacities issued by the manufacturers are hogwash. Sure the power train can pull it, but the included equipment isn't rated for it.
This thread is further proof that the rated towing capacities issued by the manufacturers are hogwash. Sure the power train can pull it, but the included equipment isn't rated for it.
07-04-2016, 10:28 AM
#16
Senior Member
Originally Posted by acdii
Sure the power train can pull it, but the included equipment isn't rated for it.
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Ricktwuhk (07-05-2016)
07-04-2016, 08:48 PM
#18
Senior Member
Yes, you are kidding yourself. Get a 350. It costs only slightly more than a 250 ($500-ish) and has about 50% more payload.
07-05-2016, 01:21 AM
#19
Thank you. Nice to see 1400 with the 6.7 for SRW 250/350.
07-05-2016, 02:28 PM
#20
Thanks for the replies everyone.
I plan on keeping everything legal. I'm assuming my limiter will be TW. According to my door sticker I have approx 1390 lbs of capacity, but the hitch is only rated at 1250 lbs. Is that correct?
I had the WDH hitch brackets pre-installed on the V-nose so that's always an option.
As mentioned I can put the vast majority of the weight at the very rear of the trailer (3500 lbs in the rear 3.5 feet), and ordered a tongue scale to ensure proper weight distribution.
Are there really no hitch replacements for the 2015+ with higher capacity?
It's a 2016 Platinum, my current tow vehicle is a 350 dually but the insurance and yearly maintenance is getting out of hand.
I plan on keeping everything legal. I'm assuming my limiter will be TW. According to my door sticker I have approx 1390 lbs of capacity, but the hitch is only rated at 1250 lbs. Is that correct?
I had the WDH hitch brackets pre-installed on the V-nose so that's always an option.
As mentioned I can put the vast majority of the weight at the very rear of the trailer (3500 lbs in the rear 3.5 feet), and ordered a tongue scale to ensure proper weight distribution.
Are there really no hitch replacements for the 2015+ with higher capacity?
It's a 2016 Platinum, my current tow vehicle is a 350 dually but the insurance and yearly maintenance is getting out of hand.
Last edited by 16F150 Plat; 07-05-2016 at 02:46 PM.