From supercharged RCSB Tundra to 2013 RCSB 5.0 STX. Let the fun begin.
02-22-2014, 04:34 PM
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I had my fun with it, but had a lot of little issues recently and figured it was only a matter of time before something big let go.
Don't ever buy a used car from me. lol
02-22-2014, 05:46 PM
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The ford definitely has more potential because of SCT. I had a 2003 focus 538 whp on 93 octane 11.4 on slicks. Since I kept the stock computer and used SCT it still passed inspection and was "street legal"
02-23-2014, 09:05 PM
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Well my Intune is here, but I am going to wait until Monday and confirm that I can run their 93 tune with E85 or see if they have a specific E85 tune available. The intake won't be here until tomorrow.
After searching a few local exhaust shops in town for a factory flange, with no luck, I found something better. Dynomax makes a 3" catback and sells the resonator separate. So I got one coming my way next week. Picked it up for $85 with a coupon at Advanced.
http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/d...ontent=general
I know it probably won't be as beneficial as true duals with an x pipe, but since I plan on keeping the stock piping, have a 3" muffler sitting in the garage and it will only cost me about a $100 total. I am sure getting rid of that choked down stock resonator will help some, if not at least give the truck a little rumble.
I'll probably order another Dynomax resonator and use it to start mocking up and building the turbo manifold. I have everything laid out in my head how I want it to go, just have to get the parts and make it happen.
While doing some research on rear turbo sizing, I saw a thread on the GTO forum, where a guy built a rear turbo setup for his car for $1500. Ran 7.1@102 and daily drives it. So it got me thinking. I was looking at $1000+ precision turbos, when I read about On3 kits/turbos. My buddy is running their kit on his single digit Fox body and several others doing the same without any issues, that I have heard of. So I am going to go with their 70mm with a .68AR, 44mm wastegate and oil recovery pump. Treadstone interooler with 3.5x12.5x22 core. I also saw that the Ford 80lb injectors run 1/2 the price of ID1000's and should be able to support 500-600whp on E85. I am not sure yet if the stock fuel pump can keep up, so maybe will need a BAP. Not counting the BAP the running total is $1400. That leaves me $1100 for tuning, piping, lines and fittings. So my goal of 1/3 the Roush blower may just be obtainable.
All that will be at least a couple months down the road and I will try to pick up parts as I sell off some of Tundra stuff I still have. In the mean time I'm gonna see what she can do with a couple bolt-ons. Hoping the local drag strip will reopen soon.
Off to a slow start, while waiting on UPS, but I did make some very small progress today. Got the lakewoods on. I know from experience axle wrap sucks and I wanted to knip that in the bud with this truck. I actually ran the universal lakewoods on my Tundra for a while, before the caltracs and they worked pretty good. If guys on here are cutting 1.6 60ft with them then I'll give em a shot. Easy install and easily removed as well. The only thing I don't like is the red snubbers. The black bars kinda blend in, but the red snubbers stick out. I was gonna use the black ones off my universals I had lying in the garage,but they were dry rotted. So I'll test them out and maybe order some black snubbers later.
Plenty of ground clearance with that stock sky high suspension.
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02-24-2014, 04:59 PM
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I'm interested in this turbo setup. I know rear turbos aren't nearly as efficient as traditionally mounted turbos, but they sure seem simpler to install both from a fabrication and cost standpoint.
Where would you place the turbos? As close to the exhaust manifold as possible?
Single, or twins? I'd think twins would make more sense, but I'll bet a properly sized single at a custom Y pipe would work well.
Are you using the stock exhaust manifolds? Are there any concerns with too much heat soak/retention from the turbos?
Where would you place the turbos? As close to the exhaust manifold as possible?
Single, or twins? I'd think twins would make more sense, but I'll bet a properly sized single at a custom Y pipe would work well.
Are you using the stock exhaust manifolds? Are there any concerns with too much heat soak/retention from the turbos?
02-24-2014, 07:37 PM
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02-24-2014, 11:21 PM
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I'm just looking to satisfy my urge to tinker and build stuff. I want to keep it simple and cost effective. I will try and keep this thread updated and really want to wait until I have a nice AC shop and lift to work in comfort, but that little devil on my shoulder says quit being a ***** and get to work. lol First priority is sell off Tundra parts, as my current 2 car garage is full of stuff including several tires and wheels, due to my wheel ***** ways.
The single 70mm with a .68AR on the exhaust side should give me decent spool, but may get choked out on top end. I have seen a similar setup on LS1tech put down 700whp, so 500-600 should be doable. To be honest I am not a turbo expert but based on other peoples setups and my limited turbo expertise I think it will be a good option for a rear setup on a truck that will see some occasional moderate towing/hauling.
The plan is to keep everything stock as possible, easily installed and removed. I am going to try and source a stock resonator first, as the smaller diameter pipe should help spool time, but if not I will go with the Dynomax resonator pipe. Cut and weld as needed a 90 degree mandrel bend with T4 flange just behind the cab and as high as possible beneath the bed. 4" intake will face front of truck, 3" vband exhaust straight out the back. Should be able to 90 down, then 90 forward off the turbo outlet, about 6-7ft length of straight 2.5" charge pipe attached to the frame with a 45 including BOV up to a 90 coupler on the intercooler. This will not be slammed suspension friendly, but I have seen pancake pipe that could help that. From there it just a matter of running pipe to connect to the K&N intake tube.
Weld the 44mm wastgate onto the resonator pipe, run vacuum lines into engine bay and tie in. As for the turbo oiling I will do an independent system. Hopefully I can get the turbo up high enough where it can gravity drain into a reservoir, from there be pumped out with a scavenge pump into a oil cooler mounted to the underside of the bed, then plumbed into the turbo. Swap some Ford racing 80lb injectors in and see if the stock fuel pump can keep up.
That's basically how it all lays out in my head. I am sure there will be some snags and if you have any suggestions or think I am missing something, let me know.
The single 70mm with a .68AR on the exhaust side should give me decent spool, but may get choked out on top end. I have seen a similar setup on LS1tech put down 700whp, so 500-600 should be doable. To be honest I am not a turbo expert but based on other peoples setups and my limited turbo expertise I think it will be a good option for a rear setup on a truck that will see some occasional moderate towing/hauling.
The plan is to keep everything stock as possible, easily installed and removed. I am going to try and source a stock resonator first, as the smaller diameter pipe should help spool time, but if not I will go with the Dynomax resonator pipe. Cut and weld as needed a 90 degree mandrel bend with T4 flange just behind the cab and as high as possible beneath the bed. 4" intake will face front of truck, 3" vband exhaust straight out the back. Should be able to 90 down, then 90 forward off the turbo outlet, about 6-7ft length of straight 2.5" charge pipe attached to the frame with a 45 including BOV up to a 90 coupler on the intercooler. This will not be slammed suspension friendly, but I have seen pancake pipe that could help that. From there it just a matter of running pipe to connect to the K&N intake tube.
Weld the 44mm wastgate onto the resonator pipe, run vacuum lines into engine bay and tie in. As for the turbo oiling I will do an independent system. Hopefully I can get the turbo up high enough where it can gravity drain into a reservoir, from there be pumped out with a scavenge pump into a oil cooler mounted to the underside of the bed, then plumbed into the turbo. Swap some Ford racing 80lb injectors in and see if the stock fuel pump can keep up.
That's basically how it all lays out in my head. I am sure there will be some snags and if you have any suggestions or think I am missing something, let me know.
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02-25-2014, 07:29 AM
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Because I tow my boat, haul ATVs, building supplies, used to have an SCCA car, have two 110lb dogs, like the spaciousness and comfort and frequent gravel roads for work. A cheap high 11/low 12 pickup truck that can support those needs is just fine by me. I don't want to be the fastest thing out there, unless you got endless pockets there will always be someone faster. I just enjoy tinkering around and making my vehicles faster every time I go to the track, with the occasional grudge match for fun.
Honestly I have thought about picking up a 2015 stang when they are released. Be a fun weekend toy, but I have other priorities right now and can't justify the money for a garage queen. Also I have been an import guy pretty much all my life and just enjoy quick cheap street cars. My friends joke that they just can't picture me in a Ford.
Thanks! So far I love it. What originally got me looking at the Ford was the Roush Supercharged trucks running the same times or better as my Tundra and the fact that a warranty was possible. I was thinking how bad *** the 2015's will be 500-700lbs lighter and was going to wait. Well then this little issue with my Tundra came up and after basically being screwed out of my warranty by no fault of my own, I just happen to look online and found this 2013 for a great price 10 min. from the house. The fact that I pretty much no longer had a warranty and seeing the insane prices to replace a Tundra motor, used or new It was too much of a liability. So now I say F warranty after that experience, because they will probably make up some excuse to void it anyway. Plus these Ford motors are a little more reasonable if I did have to come out of pocket.
The Roush kit will run about $7-8k installed with warranty. I am confident I can build a rear turbo setup for 1/3-1/2 the price that can be easily installed and also removed, with no trace that it was ever on the truck. I know the TVS blowers are efficient, my Tundra had a TVS1900, but a turbo has zero parasitic loss and should be able to make more power at lower boost if sized correctly. Also I know mine would get heat soaked pretty quick down here in the South during the extreme heat months. The turbo fueled with e85 should keep things a bit cooler.
I had an idea to supercharge my SCCA Civic and people said it wouldn't work, blah blah blah. $500 later and some redneck engineering I had an extra 100whp and a pretty fun unique/quick grocery getter. The only reason I did it was to prove it could be done. Never quite got it dialed in 100% and traction was a **** being FWD.
Video Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wivFuyGYqw
I won't be taking the same approach with the F150 lol, but I think I can pull off a clean simple cost effective setup.
Thanks man!
I know I haven't been here long, but your truck hands down is the best RCSB I have seen. Love the stance/look. I would love to drop this one, but I am enjoying the stock comfy ride for now and I really don't want to put a bunch of money into it. If the 2015's RCSB are 4-500lbs lighter I will be picking one up in a couple years. Performance and MPG should be greatly improved if that is the case. Hell I am getting 18MPG in town right now. My three other Tundras I have owned barley got that on the hwy.
A Tundra with a blower is pretty stout and a fun ride, but can be pricey. I got a hell of a deal on my blower/install and loved the truck, just had poor service from my local dealer.
Thanks!
Kinda, they are pretty rare, especially one with a bench seat. I had two double cab 5.7s before which ran pretty good, and when I saw this RCSB online, I had to have it.
Seems like we are on the same brainwave. I just tend to get a new toy every 2 years. lol These little Fords have some potential though from what I have seen. Good luck with yours.
My friend had a 2013 5.0 mustang and said the reason he got the Intune was because it was untraceable. The only thing it does is leave behind the same count as if the battery was disconnected. I hope I don't have any issues with just some simple bolt-ons for now, but I guess I will find out when/if the day comes. From what I read on the Diablo site it is safe to run E85 on their 93 tune, but I'm sure a custom tune would yield a few more HP.
Nice time! The are pretty quick in stock form for a 5000lb truck. Heavy SOB's too.
I ran 14.2@98 stock, traction limited and 13.7@100 on heavy 22's with catback and a custom 4" intake I made that leaned the overly rich stock AFR by one full point.
Honestly I have thought about picking up a 2015 stang when they are released. Be a fun weekend toy, but I have other priorities right now and can't justify the money for a garage queen. Also I have been an import guy pretty much all my life and just enjoy quick cheap street cars. My friends joke that they just can't picture me in a Ford.
Thanks! So far I love it. What originally got me looking at the Ford was the Roush Supercharged trucks running the same times or better as my Tundra and the fact that a warranty was possible. I was thinking how bad *** the 2015's will be 500-700lbs lighter and was going to wait. Well then this little issue with my Tundra came up and after basically being screwed out of my warranty by no fault of my own, I just happen to look online and found this 2013 for a great price 10 min. from the house. The fact that I pretty much no longer had a warranty and seeing the insane prices to replace a Tundra motor, used or new It was too much of a liability. So now I say F warranty after that experience, because they will probably make up some excuse to void it anyway. Plus these Ford motors are a little more reasonable if I did have to come out of pocket.
The Roush kit will run about $7-8k installed with warranty. I am confident I can build a rear turbo setup for 1/3-1/2 the price that can be easily installed and also removed, with no trace that it was ever on the truck. I know the TVS blowers are efficient, my Tundra had a TVS1900, but a turbo has zero parasitic loss and should be able to make more power at lower boost if sized correctly. Also I know mine would get heat soaked pretty quick down here in the South during the extreme heat months. The turbo fueled with e85 should keep things a bit cooler.
I had an idea to supercharge my SCCA Civic and people said it wouldn't work, blah blah blah. $500 later and some redneck engineering I had an extra 100whp and a pretty fun unique/quick grocery getter. The only reason I did it was to prove it could be done. Never quite got it dialed in 100% and traction was a **** being FWD.
Video Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wivFuyGYqw
I won't be taking the same approach with the F150 lol, but I think I can pull off a clean simple cost effective setup.
Thanks man!
I know I haven't been here long, but your truck hands down is the best RCSB I have seen. Love the stance/look. I would love to drop this one, but I am enjoying the stock comfy ride for now and I really don't want to put a bunch of money into it. If the 2015's RCSB are 4-500lbs lighter I will be picking one up in a couple years. Performance and MPG should be greatly improved if that is the case. Hell I am getting 18MPG in town right now. My three other Tundras I have owned barley got that on the hwy.
A Tundra with a blower is pretty stout and a fun ride, but can be pricey. I got a hell of a deal on my blower/install and loved the truck, just had poor service from my local dealer.
Thanks!
Kinda, they are pretty rare, especially one with a bench seat. I had two double cab 5.7s before which ran pretty good, and when I saw this RCSB online, I had to have it.
Seems like we are on the same brainwave. I just tend to get a new toy every 2 years. lol These little Fords have some potential though from what I have seen. Good luck with yours.
My friend had a 2013 5.0 mustang and said the reason he got the Intune was because it was untraceable. The only thing it does is leave behind the same count as if the battery was disconnected. I hope I don't have any issues with just some simple bolt-ons for now, but I guess I will find out when/if the day comes. From what I read on the Diablo site it is safe to run E85 on their 93 tune, but I'm sure a custom tune would yield a few more HP.
Nice time! The are pretty quick in stock form for a 5000lb truck. Heavy SOB's too.
I ran 14.2@98 stock, traction limited and 13.7@100 on heavy 22's with catback and a custom 4" intake I made that leaned the overly rich stock AFR by one full point.