2015 "Ruby" 2.9 Whipple Supercharger Install
#171
Originally Posted by engineermike
All correct. But to add to that, all oils are thicker, MUCH thicker, cold than hot. So a 0w20 has a higher viscosity at 0 deg f than an sae50 does at 200 deg. Make sense?
#172
Senior Member
At one point in time, I had decided on the 0w40 (but never used it). It's used by srt in the hellcat, which actually has a lower specific torque output than a whipple 5.0. It's also used by the pennzoil formula1 car as-is. Plus I had a dyno test where a sbc made the most power with a 40 weight, as compared to a 30 and 50. Eventually, I couldn't get comfortable with it because it's a big breakaway from what ford uses in anything, which admittedly isnt a very technical reason.
#175
Senior Member
Oh man this is exciting times for you! I am so happy for you and glad I could help you make this decision, you are going to love the setup.
I spoke to Whipple the other day and the new tune is imminent and supposed to be a big improvement in drivability and performance!
Keep us posted and let me know if I can help in any way.
Oh, thank you for the information on the oil. You may have read that I also have a 2015 Whippled mustang. I love driving the truck so much I'm currently returning my car to stock to trade in for an auto lol. I will be putting everything on the new car over the winter. Should I also be using 0w40 in the car?
Thanks again Jamie,
Jaime
I spoke to Whipple the other day and the new tune is imminent and supposed to be a big improvement in drivability and performance!
Keep us posted and let me know if I can help in any way.
Oh, thank you for the information on the oil. You may have read that I also have a 2015 Whippled mustang. I love driving the truck so much I'm currently returning my car to stock to trade in for an auto lol. I will be putting everything on the new car over the winter. Should I also be using 0w40 in the car?
Thanks again Jamie,
Jaime
I'm excited to hear how you like the new tune, my kit is due to ship on July 15th so I should have the latest software by the time it gets delivered.
As for the oil, wether you choose the 5w30 or 0w40 either will be a good upgrade to the 5w20 factory recommended oil. To your other question, whatever you run in the car, run it in the truck too, the coyote is the same in both vehicles as far as lubrication requirements are concerned, (same main and rod bearing clearances, same oil pump, cam phasers, and same oil pressure relief setting). Running boost on an engine and making this kind of power requires an oil that has more film strength under the inevitably high loads the engine will see. I currently use Mobil 1 0w40 in 2011 BMW M3 (8400 RPM, 4.0 V8 that makes 414HP) based on my own research and recommendations from a friend of mine that builds engines for the Hendrick Motorsports NASCAR team. He has the equipment available to test oils and of all he has tested he recommended the Mobil 1 European car 0w40 due to many factors. Some of them are the fact that it is made from a group IV base-stock, 1200+PPM OF ZDDP, has excellent shear resistance, it flows well at cold temps yet offered great protection at higher temps, it is factory fill for tons of high performance cars, you can run it year round and don't have to worry about changing the oil out as temps drop, and finally it is cost effective and readily available.
The main reason I will be using the Mobil 0w40 in my F150 is not having to worry about having a winter and summer oil. I live in Fort McMurray, Alberta, Canada and winters are long and cold, and having one oil do it all is very convienent.
For what it's worth, I bought 15 quarts of pennzoil ultra platinum 5w30 (Walmart.com for $27). Going to be putting it in the couple of weeks. I'm convinced that the ultra platinum is better than anything out there short of group 4.
I'm not too worried about 0w vs 5w because in Louisiana it doesn't really get cold enough for the first number to matter.
Jmeo, seems like it's taking them a while to get you the latest tune(?)
Anyway, a good friend just ordered a whipple kit (with throttle body, fan kit, and smaller pulley) for a regular cab short bed 2016 with 3.55's and eld. I'll be installing his later in July. Can't wait to see how 720 hp does in a 4000 lb truck.
I'm not too worried about 0w vs 5w because in Louisiana it doesn't really get cold enough for the first number to matter.
Jmeo, seems like it's taking them a while to get you the latest tune(?)
Anyway, a good friend just ordered a whipple kit (with throttle body, fan kit, and smaller pulley) for a regular cab short bed 2016 with 3.55's and eld. I'll be installing his later in July. Can't wait to see how 720 hp does in a 4000 lb truck.
Can't wait to hear about your friends truck when it is done.
Mike, that's awesome news. You are going to enjoy the install it's fun and I can only imagine how that'll feel on a smaller/lighter truck knowing how it feels on my monstrosity lol.
All this oil talk is slightly confusing to me. I thought the first number was oil weight cold and the second oil weight hot? So, 0w40 would be thinner cold and thicker hotAll this oil talk is slightly confusing to me. I thought the first number was oil weight cold and the second oil weight hot? So, 0w40 would be thinner cold and thicker hot compared to 5w20 or am I looking at it wrong? So your going 5w30? Wouldn't his be slightly thicker cold compared to the 0?
If in short you could recommend the appropriate oil weight for both my truck and car I would greatly appreciate it. I drive the truck all year round and the car mostly spring/summer/fall but do take it out when the roads are not snow/salt covered here in MA
As far as the tune there was a release a little while ago that I skipped because I was told they were making some more improvements. They do take a while to come out because of the 50 state legal process and needing approval from Ford engineers I believe.
Thanks for you help,
Jamie
All this oil talk is slightly confusing to me. I thought the first number was oil weight cold and the second oil weight hot? So, 0w40 would be thinner cold and thicker hotAll this oil talk is slightly confusing to me. I thought the first number was oil weight cold and the second oil weight hot? So, 0w40 would be thinner cold and thicker hot compared to 5w20 or am I looking at it wrong? So your going 5w30? Wouldn't his be slightly thicker cold compared to the 0?
If in short you could recommend the appropriate oil weight for both my truck and car I would greatly appreciate it. I drive the truck all year round and the car mostly spring/summer/fall but do take it out when the roads are not snow/salt covered here in MA
As far as the tune there was a release a little while ago that I skipped because I was told they were making some more improvements. They do take a while to come out because of the 50 state legal process and needing approval from Ford engineers I believe.
Thanks for you help,
Jamie
I hesitate to make recommendations, but I figured that if ford recommends 5w-20 for most applications, 5w30 for ecoboost, and 5w50 for svt stuff like gt500/350/boss including the gt performance package (same engine as regular gt), then I can't really go wrong with a 5w30. The higher viscosity should afford me some extra protection at high loads.
At one point in time, I had decided on the 0w40 (but never used it). It's used by srt in the hellcat, which actually has a lower specific torque output than a whipple 5.0. It's also used by the pennzoil formula1 car as-is. Plus I had a dyno test where a sbc made the most power with a 40 weight, as compared to a 30 and 50. Eventually, I couldn't get comfortable with it because it's a big breakaway from what ford uses in anything, which admittedly isnt a very technical reason.
Last edited by JSEDECKER; 06-20-2016 at 03:31 AM.
#176
Senior Member
My Kit showed up Wednesday, and Whipple included two extra pulleys (3.75 and 3.625) no charge. I laid all the pieces out on my bench last night and scanned the truck with the Flare flash tool to get the info needed for Whipple to build me my tune.
I'm gonna start the install on Sunday evening and finish it up on Monday.
Can't wait to feel how this thing runs with the blower installed!!!
I'm gonna start the install on Sunday evening and finish it up on Monday.
Can't wait to feel how this thing runs with the blower installed!!!
#178
Senior Member
Jsedecker, did you request those pulleys? The kits used to only come with 3.875.
Now you guys got me wondering if I have the latest latest latest calibration. This one feels very torquey but it's more in the pedal response and trans strategy than wot. I got it on 5/3/16 and it does not include the flight control features.
Now you guys got me wondering if I have the latest latest latest calibration. This one feels very torquey but it's more in the pedal response and trans strategy than wot. I got it on 5/3/16 and it does not include the flight control features.
Last edited by engineermike; 07-01-2016 at 10:00 AM.
#179
Jsedecker, did you request those pulleys? The kits used to only come with 3.875.
Now you guys got me wondering if I have the latest latest latest calibration. This one feels very torquey but it's more in the pedal response and trans strategy than wot. I got it on 5/3/16 and it does not include the flight control features.
Now you guys got me wondering if I have the latest latest latest calibration. This one feels very torquey but it's more in the pedal response and trans strategy than wot. I got it on 5/3/16 and it does not include the flight control features.
The kit comes standard with 3.75" pulley, I'm assuming he at least mentioned wanting the 3.625" or they just goofed up and sent it by accident. Its an expensive upgrade and I'm sure they don't automatically send both.
Dustin mentioned the new cal will allow going smaller than 3.625" but I'm not sure if this is possible on 93 octane. I will also update with this information.
As to your mention of "flight control' this is only available on the mustang stage 2 kits.
Jaime
#180
Senior Member
Great news on the new tune, did he say when it would be available?
Jsedecker, did you request those pulleys? The kits used to only come with 3.875. Now you guys got me wondering if I have the latest latest latest calibration. This one feels very torquey but it's more in the pedal response and trans strategy than wot. I got it on 5/3/16 and it does not include the flight control features.
Last edited by JSEDECKER; 07-01-2016 at 05:17 PM.