Thinking of putting a tuner on your ecoboost?
03-08-2011, 01:50 AM
#21
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Why is this news?
It's always been the rule that if you mod your truck, and that mod causes a failure, your warranty is voided... I haven't seen a tuner melt down a motor or cause a transmission failure yet...
It sucks that you might not have a tuner available right away, but they'll be here.
It's always been the rule that if you mod your truck, and that mod causes a failure, your warranty is voided... I haven't seen a tuner melt down a motor or cause a transmission failure yet...
It sucks that you might not have a tuner available right away, but they'll be here.
03-08-2011, 08:53 AM
#22
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Why is this news?
It's always been the rule that if you mod your truck, and that mod causes a failure, your warranty is voided... I haven't seen a tuner melt down a motor or cause a transmission failure yet...
It sucks that you might not have a tuner available right away, but they'll be here.
It's always been the rule that if you mod your truck, and that mod causes a failure, your warranty is voided... I haven't seen a tuner melt down a motor or cause a transmission failure yet...
It sucks that you might not have a tuner available right away, but they'll be here.
If you haven't seen a tuner cause a transmission to fail or stretched head bolts, blown head gaskets and melted pistons, then you don't know anything at all about Ford and the 6.0. Go do some research.
Putting a tuner on a gas engine is not much of a deal, you might get 25-35 extra hp and torque- not enough to damage anything. Problem is the ecoboost is a gas turbine engine. All you gotta do is increase boost a few lbs and power takes off. For the 6.0 you can increase the boost and easily add 125 hp. EGT's get too high and you have melted pistons. The ecoboost already runs hotter than a diesel and probably can't take much more.
03-08-2011, 09:24 AM
#23
Ford/Mazda Parts guy
alright, im asking this in an honest no flame warranted way guys..
is there a site for f150 modding enthusiasts that actually have information for those that want to mod their vehicles and not block the intercoolers and everything? bc i've been looking and haven't found one yet
like i said , this is a sincere question
is there a site for f150 modding enthusiasts that actually have information for those that want to mod their vehicles and not block the intercoolers and everything? bc i've been looking and haven't found one yet
like i said , this is a sincere question
EcoBoost and mods, it is pretty common knowledge that the DISI 2.3 turbo engine in the Mazdaspeed 6 and 3 were the test bed for Ecoboost engines. Part of the reason the had encrypted and very tough to hack ECU's. If you spent anytime on the Mazda forums....well making big power on those cars proved to make some interesting explosions. I think the most made without catastrophic failure was in the ballpark of 400whp. The 2.3 was rated at 274bhp in factory trim.
Now if someone wants to make big power on a EcoBoost.....here are my suggestions.
You will need Full access to the ECU
Get someone that does Volkswagon Direct injection pumps to beef up internals to the injector pump....Remember the injectors have a line pressure over 2000 psi
Custom Forged pistons lowering the top ring down further than the stock piston, and lowering the compression a full point.
Port and Polish the heads, Sheet Metal custom intake. ARP studs throughout the block, the block is beefy enough for 1600whp since it is just as strong as the 3.0 Duratec and the Noble guys are making big power on them.
Connecting Rods should be upgraded to Pauter Units.
upgrade the intercooler,the turbos and the piping to support the power levels desired.
Cost for a project like this $20-$30k easy, unless you own a machine and fabrication shop.
03-08-2011, 12:13 PM
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EcoBoost and mods, it is pretty common knowledge that the DISI 2.3 turbo engine in the Mazdaspeed 6 and 3 were the test bed for Ecoboost engines. Part of the reason the had encrypted and very tough to hack ECU's. If you spent anytime on the Mazda forums....well making big power on those cars proved to make some interesting explosions. I think the most made without catastrophic failure was in the ballpark of 400whp. The 2.3 was rated at 274bhp in factory trim.
Now if someone wants to make big power on a EcoBoost.....here are my suggestions.
You will need Full access to the ECU
Get someone that does Volkswagon Direct injection pumps to beef up internals to the injector pump....Remember the injectors have a line pressure over 2000 psi
Custom Forged pistons lowering the top ring down further than the stock piston, and lowering the compression a full point.
Port and Polish the heads, Sheet Metal custom intake. ARP studs throughout the block, the block is beefy enough for 1600whp since it is just as strong as the 3.0 Duratec and the Noble guys are making big power on them.
Connecting Rods should be upgraded to Pauter Units.
upgrade the intercooler,the turbos and the piping to support the power levels desired.
Cost for a project like this $20-$30k easy, unless you own a machine and fabrication shop.
Now if someone wants to make big power on a EcoBoost.....here are my suggestions.
You will need Full access to the ECU
Get someone that does Volkswagon Direct injection pumps to beef up internals to the injector pump....Remember the injectors have a line pressure over 2000 psi
Custom Forged pistons lowering the top ring down further than the stock piston, and lowering the compression a full point.
Port and Polish the heads, Sheet Metal custom intake. ARP studs throughout the block, the block is beefy enough for 1600whp since it is just as strong as the 3.0 Duratec and the Noble guys are making big power on them.
Connecting Rods should be upgraded to Pauter Units.
upgrade the intercooler,the turbos and the piping to support the power levels desired.
Cost for a project like this $20-$30k easy, unless you own a machine and fabrication shop.
so i believe just getting a tuner to smooth some points out here and there and just correct some things in your own vehicle(accounting for all parameters) will allow the ecoboost to pick up pretty decent power throughout
03-08-2011, 12:19 PM
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Putting a tuner on a gas engine is not much of a deal, you might get 25-35 extra hp and torque- not enough to damage anything. Problem is the ecoboost is a gas turbine engine. All you gotta do is increase boost a few lbs and power takes off. For the 6.0 you can increase the boost and easily add 125 hp. EGT's get too high and you have melted pistons. The ecoboost already runs hotter than a diesel and probably can't take much more.
boost is also nice as well
been addicted for years now
03-08-2011, 12:35 PM
#26
Ford/Mazda Parts guy
my friend owns an ms3 and is making plenty of power with minimal mods to his (tuner/intake/downpipe he is pretty close to 300whp i believe) and it is very streetable and you are correct about the 400whp.. my friend's tuner is making 449whp and 536 lb ft of torque on his stock block
so i believe just getting a tuner to smooth some points out here and there and just correct some things in your own vehicle(accounting for all parameters) will allow the ecoboost to pick up pretty decent power throughout
so i believe just getting a tuner to smooth some points out here and there and just correct some things in your own vehicle(accounting for all parameters) will allow the ecoboost to pick up pretty decent power throughout
Now Ford got smart with the way the designed the ECU's, they are not unhackable....but the information they store now when they are hacked is showing up and being stored for a tech to find it and deny a warranty.
03-08-2011, 01:08 PM
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The thing is most manufacturers have figured out people want max power already and they are leaving less under the table so to speak when it comes to gaining more power with a tuner.
Now Ford got smart with the way the designed the ECU's, they are not unhackable....but the information they store now when they are hacked is showing up and being stored for a tech to find it and deny a warranty.
Now Ford got smart with the way the designed the ECU's, they are not unhackable....but the information they store now when they are hacked is showing up and being stored for a tech to find it and deny a warranty.
03-08-2011, 01:30 PM
#28
There will be a workaround in no time. Never fear.
03-08-2011, 02:04 PM
#29
Ford/Mazda Parts guy
03-08-2011, 02:15 PM
#30
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The thing is most manufacturers have figured out people want max power already and they are leaving less under the table so to speak when it comes to gaining more power with a tuner.
Now Ford got smart with the way the designed the ECU's, they are not unhackable....but the information they store now when they are hacked is showing up and being stored for a tech to find it and deny a warranty.
Now Ford got smart with the way the designed the ECU's, they are not unhackable....but the information they store now when they are hacked is showing up and being stored for a tech to find it and deny a warranty.